Word Bearer Question

[Rummy]

Hey.

I was just wondering if a unit of Death Guard, Thousand Sons etc. could come and join and WB host under the complete command of a Word Bearer Lord without disrespecting the Gods or their Primarch.

It's probably a stupid question :lol:!!

[chillin]

This crapfluff about legions joining up and helping each other out and taking walks hand in hand down the beach at sunset, is new to this poorly written dex, is stupid, and contradicts all previous chaos fluff. Even in black crusaides when the different legions come together, they might fight on different continents or even different planets, not all mixed up in the same army.

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If you want "PM's" in your WB's army, I would just model reg csm's up with shields, xtra armor, etc. and just paint them up as reg WB's.

That's what I did for my BL.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

What chillin said. Word Bearers would not tolerate mercenaries of any kind, let alone ones foolish enough to worship only one god.

[Redbaron997]

If you want "PM's" in your WB's army, I would just model reg csm's up with shields, xtra armor, etc. and just paint them up as reg WB's.

That's what I did for my BL.

 

Oooh, thats a pretty cool idea.

 

But yea Word Bearers are the most "Pure" Legion out there.

 

If you want to use any mark besides undivided you need to come up with a non god specific reason.

 

Such as the above, or for instance: Apostle Lord as MOT that represents his 4+ invurn save from last edition.

[Rain]

Just as an addendum, Word Bearers consider the worship of any one god a type of heresy as they see Chaos as an inseparable pantheon. This is actually why organizing Black Crusades is so hard, because the legions tend to hold contradicting views to one another and tend to kill each other almost as readily as they kill Imperials.

 

As chillin said however, WB with shields is doable, I use converted "siege breakers" as berzerkers in my own Iron Warriors army as IW do not worship any of the gods, but do launch ferocious assaults to take enemy fortifications.

[CavPathfinder]

Are you asking because you want to field a unit with Plague Marine / Thousand Sons stats in a Word Bearer force?

Just be thoughtful and create your own fluff as to why these guys are better than normal Chaos Space Marines

 

Plague Marines: +1 Toughness - extra armor, shields, taking cover behind a wall, etc

Thousand Sons / Aspiring Sorcerer: +1 Invul - a Dark Apostle in training, with bodyguard

Berzerkers: +1 Attacks - highly, highly, highly, highly, trained in close combat, multiple close combat weapons

Noise Marines: +1 Initiative; sonic weapons - trim down on useless gear, freeing up their movement; advanced pattern bolters

 

The options are limited only by your imagination.

 

And then do some kit bashing/converting.

 

but if you want to do Word Bearers, the general consensus is: pure Word Bearers.

[Argon]

Are you asking because you want to field a unit with Plague Marine / Thousand Sons stats in a Word Bearer force?

Just be thoughtful and create your own fluff as to why these guys are better than normal Chaos Space Marines

 

Plague Marines: +1 Toughness - extra armor, shields, taking cover behind a wall, etc

Thousand Sons / Aspiring Sorcerer: +1 Invul - a Dark Apostle in training, with bodyguard

Berzerkers: +1 Attacks - highly, highly, highly, highly, trained in close combat, multiple close combat weapons

Noise Marines: +1 Initiative; sonic weapons - trim down on useless gear, freeing up their movement; advanced pattern bolters

 

The options are limited only by your imagination.

 

And then do some kit bashing/converting.

 

but if you want to do Word Bearers, the general consensus is: pure Word Bearers.

 

Thanks alot for this. I've been thinking about how to justify cult units in an undivided force that isn't the Black Legion. Noise Marines were a real challenge. However, I have one question: How would you justify the Asp. Sorceror's psychic power if he's a Dark Apostle? I think a better justification for Thousand Sons in a Word Bearers force would be to call them daemonically posessed suits of power armour. After all, if they can possess something like a Predator or Land Raider, who says they can't posess a few suits of armour and use them as troops?

[Zeller]

Most possessed things are going to be Possessed Marines in a WB force. They are used as a kind of forward scout/ambush unit Rambo style.

 

The TS sorceror could be given either Warptime to represent his phenomonal skill in CC or perhaps even WoC to represent a kind of mini battle cry or litany from the Book of Lorgar that has been embellished with a little power of chaos giving it the physical power in the real world. I hope that wasn't a run on sentence.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Most possessed things are going to be Possessed Marines in a WB force. They are used as a kind of forward scout/ambush unit Rambo style.

 

The TS sorceror could be given either Warptime to represent his phenomonal skill in CC or perhaps even WoC to represent a kind of mini battle cry or litany from the Book of Lorgar that has been embellished with a little power of chaos giving it the physical power in the real world. I hope that wasn't a run on sentence.

 

Run on sentences are acceptable when discussing Chaos.

[CavPathfinder]

Based upon published Fluff the Word Bearers are not fond of sorcerers. But in the same fluff, the Dark Apostles, and First Acolytes do still recieve abilities that come from the Warp.

So like Drudge Dreadnought said pick the power you want to use, and think of it as a gift from the gods for their service. Or a skill that they learned from professer Lorgar in Dark Apostle school. As far as the normal Thousand Sons Space Marines, I'd perfer a body in the suit, but I'm rather open minded, and I can buy off on the possessed armor (but possessed by former Word Bearers whose souls were brought back from the Warp), hence the invul save. sure.

Infact, I'm going to use that one on my Word Bearer army, Thanks.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Wasn't me that said that actually, although i have said it in other threads ;)

[CavPathfinder]

Ops, ;)

Sorry, Drudge Dreadnought.

Let me give credit where credit is due, take Zeller's advice. And come up with a good reason the Aspiring Sorcerer/Dark Apostle/First Acolyte would be able to use that power.

 

I'm still gonna use the dead Word Bearers soul brought back from the Warp to inhabit the armor, idea. :D

[Zeller]

Going on that TS idea should they retain their TS helmets or should we swap them for regular helmets but retain the tabards? Basically, how will you distinguish them from other marines?

[CavPathfinder]

As far as modeling goes, I personnally have avery regimented uniform, only slight veriations. I wouldn't use the Thousand Sons helmets.

But for Word Bearers that have been killed and then brought back, you could model bullet holes, blast damage, bionics or whatever to represent how they died. Add extra tabards, litanies, wards, and runes. To show the binding spell to keep the soul in the armor, or as gratitude for the glorious deeds they performed while still living.

[chillin]

Going on that TS idea should they retain their TS helmets or should we swap them for regular helmets but retain the tabards? Basically, how will you distinguish them from other marines?

 

TS helmits would mark them as T'sons, i would use reg helmit.

[Smurfalypse]

This crapfluff about legions joining up and helping each other out and taking walks hand in hand down the beach at sunset, is new to this poorly written dex, is stupid, and contradicts all previous chaos fluff. Even in black crusaides when the different legions come together, they might fight on different continents or even different planets, not all mixed up in the same army.

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If you want "PM's" in your WB's army, I would just model reg csm's up with shields, xtra armor, etc. and just paint them up as reg WB's.

That's what I did for my BL.

 

 

Think i love chillen.

 

Word Bearers are very strict about who/what fights with them. They would never tolorate anyone from another legion. About the only things outside of their little circle would be cultists of some sort, definitely not death guard or any of the other cult legions. Even the icons is going a little to far in most Word Bearer players minds.

 

Just my two cents.

[Zeller]

Icons such as the IoCG?

[grimz]

I must admit I don't get Word Bearers at all...

 

Is there some awesome fluff or something I don't know of?

[the jeske]

lets see . the IA article , the 3.5 dex , books .

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

If I can counts-as Plague Marines in a Blood Angels force, you can do it with Word Bearers. :huh:

 

Is there some awesome fluff or something I don't know of?

 

Evidently. Jeske's got it. Think of them as the Ministorum of Chaos Undivided.

 

lets see . the IA article , the 3.5 dex , books .

 

Aw yeah.

[Smurfalypse]

If I can counts-as Plague Marines in a Blood Angels force, you can do it with Word Bearers. ;)

 

Is there some awesome fluff or something I don't know of?

 

Evidently. Jeske's got it. Think of them as the Ministorum of Chaos Undivided.

 

lets see . the IA article , the 3.5 dex , books .

 

Aw yeah.

 

This word bearer topic has been brought up again and again. There is the "purest" side of the deal and the "liberal" side of the deal, neither are ever going to agree so its not really worth going over again. It may not be worth going over again, but I will do it anyhow :lol:

 

Word Bearers are Word Bearers, if you want to play death guard, then play death guard, if you want to play world eaters then play world eaters. World eaters would never have noise marines in their lists, death guard would never have thousand sons in their lists. The same is said for WB when talking about cult units, it just would never happen under any circumstance. If you want to "zomg counts as" just to be able to field the uber units you want, then by all means go ahead more power to you, but the fact remains that you are using plague marines or zerkers in your word bearer lists :cry:

 

Ive been playing chaos since second ed. Word Bearers right from the start so im a little fanatical about this subject, but i guess thats how its supposed to be :P

[hummus]

maybe you could make it some splinter group of the word bearers like the sanctified(or your own made up group) who need some kinda help.

I could see them maybe joining up with thousand sons for some kinda magical ritual.

[incinerator950]

maybe you could make it some splinter group of the word bearers like the sanctified(or your own made up group) who need some kinda help.

I could see them maybe joining up with thousand sons for some kinda magical ritual.

 

He might have to go further and explained how they survived desertion, because Word bearers will hunt down people who leave, and execute them all if they can.

[Rummy]

Lol it's just as hummus said.. I want to know for my own fluff reasons and they need help and there is a stroy of how they survived desertion. Nad I only said Plahue marines and thousand sons as an example.. There could well be help from many legions..

[chillin]

they need help

There could well be help from many legions..

 

Yes b/c the chaos legions are big on helping each other out. That's wht they worship that big, fluffy, purple, singing, dinosaur.

[sigh] I hate this dex :P :( :cry: <_< :)