Word Bearer Question

[hummus]

Yes b/c the chaos legions are big on helping each other out. That's wht they worship that big, fluffy, purple, singing, dinosaur.

[sigh] I hate this dex dry.gif sad.gif cry.gif confused.gif verymad.gif

 

 

Wasn`t he the god they used in Guantanimo to torture some of the people there?

[incinerator950]

/implied facepalm

 

there are many purple dinosaur gods

[CavPathfinder]

All of the advantages of the "cults" can be explained with either technology or training, rather than as a gift for worshiping a particular Chaos God.

examples:

I consider my self an average Soldier. Me = normal Chaos Space Marine

 

I can fight in hand-to-hand, but I don't stand a chance against a professional UFC fighter, that has commited his life to his fighting style. UFC fighter= +1 Attack - Berzerker, or +1 Initiative Noise Marine.

 

The Weapons and Ammunition I use are nice, but there are better ones out there. Better Weapons and Ammunition = Sonic Blaster/Blast Master

 

I wear body armor, but my body armor doesn't even come close to comparing with the Body Armor of an EOD tech, body armor that is made to absorb the blast of a bomb. EOD tech = +1 toughness - Plauge Marines, or +1 invul - Thousand Sons.

 

that is why I have "cultist" in my Word Bearer army, but I don't call them Khorne Berzerkers, Noise Marines, Plauge Marines, or Thousand Sons. I call them Close Combat Specialists, Marksmanship Specialists, Trench Warfare Specialists, Aspiring Dark Apostle with Bodyguard.

 

As far as having other Legions in your Word Bearer Army, sure, why not. My friend DtD plays Alpha Legion and Night Lords. I'm going to build a Squad of each of those Armies for myself. And Call them "Liason teams". (we're on opposite sides of the planet right now, so this will be the only way to "play together")

 

Just think of a reason to justify fielding whomever / whatever you like. just so when someone says "what the hay". you can say "because, ____________________"

[incinerator950]

Theres an older Warband thats comprised mostly of Word Bearers and Night Lords, I dunno how GW barfed up any background for it but it was in the Age of Apossomething and then records kinda stop.

[the jeske]

Just think of a reason to justify fielding whomever / whatever you like. just so when someone says "what the hay". you can say "because, ____________________"

only the options you take are not specialists. there are no such options in the chaos dex . there are no hth specialists , siege sm etc. there are zerkers and plague marines , I mean it says it in the entry. The way your propose lies death of fluff[and lets face it few people play w40k for its rules] , there are no different dexs for different armies . there are no named options , no cult armies. an army of orks can be zerkers [and with counts as it doesnt even have to be converted] , sm loyalist can be eldar and IG can be nids. While I get the idea that everyone wants to use the models he owns the way he wants , am totally not getting the idea of also having to stretch the fluff to absurds . There are no WB specialists , just like there are no siege WE . If there were they would have been mentioned in the last 25 years of fluff . I understand that wining is important and that the zerker/pm list is the best there is , but why not call the army what it really easy [black Legion] and not go in to detail how zerkers are not zerkers and those pms are actually guys with shields.

[CavPathfinder]

Just think of a reason to justify fielding whomever / whatever you like. just so when someone says "what the hay". you can say "because, ____________________"

only the options you take are not specialists. there are no such options in the chaos dex . there are no hth specialists , siege sm etc. there are zerkers and plague marines , I mean it says it in the entry. The way your propose lies death of fluff[and lets face it few people play w40k for its rules] , there are no different dexs for different armies . there are no named options , no cult armies. an army of orks can be zerkers [and with counts as it doesnt even have to be converted] , sm loyalist can be eldar and IG can be nids. While I get the idea that everyone wants to use the models he owns the way he wants , am totally not getting the idea of also having to stretch the fluff to absurds . There are no WB specialists , just like there are no siege WE . If there were they would have been mentioned in the last 25 years of fluff . I understand that wining is important and that the zerker/pm list is the best there is , but why not call the army what it really easy [black Legion] and not go in to detail how zerkers are not zerkers and those pms are actually guys with shields.

jeske,

I'm sorry you feel that way. About a game. About a fantasy future. In which the creators have deliberately left room for interpretation, expansion, and each individual player’s creativity to be expressed(through modeling, painting, and even development of your own army's fluff). I have taken advantage of those freedoms that the game developers intended, and highly encourage anyone else that plays, to do the same.

 

Rummy.

Do what you want. You're not going to violate any written/official rule of 40K to have Plague Marines or Thousand Sons in whatever form you chose, in your Word Bearer Army.

 

As far as Fluff goes. Official published Fluff, concerning Word Bearers. There are numerous mentions about how certain Chaos Gods will favor individuals. Heck, even at the end of the last Word Bearer book. There’s a Sorcerer from the Black Legion working with the Word Bearers. There is your precedent, approved by Games-Workshop, Published by the Black Library Fluff.

So again, I say do your thing man. Be creative.

[incinerator950]

Except the game doesn't leave that much room for it if you intend to play it anywhere besides your best friend's house. GW intended it at first and then occasionally say it to sell the game, but in reality don't care enough until it actually comes to gaming. You have to do it yourself and then get friends who will accept it, otherwise you are constrained to the dogma of :cussty rules.

 

Also, screw Black Library, they violate and flip off the fluff till it's completely incompatible or stupid, like how I spent 2 hrs looking up stats for Titans vs Spirit of Mother Will and I had to have someone who was playing since Rogue Trader and Epic to get basic information confirmed, because some idiots screwed up comparing Titan sizes thanks to the old Leviathan battles. I don't care if you have to make something sound cool, you're over exaggerating written background to create a decent to half baked novel.

 

This is the first discussion I actually agree entirely with Jeske on, which is a first on this fluff rearanging crap, and on Counts as which is equally moot. I understand Resin Casts and counts as for weapons, but seriously, go get Jump Packs or the actual damn models if you want to use the army.

 

If we have the freedom to chose what we can do with any options open, then my Putrefactors Warband successfully destroyed a Space Marine Chapter, stole a Strike Cruiser from the Scythes of the Emperor during the Tyranid Incursion, and destroyed half a System of planets by dragging Asteroids into weakly protected pockets of Planetary Defense for a Chaos Exterminatus, oh wait, I can't do that because now 50 people got offended I got away with destroying an unnamed chapter, and not playing an old first founding Legion, for casually killing Imperial stuff, and for being Chaos and not stuck in the Eye or Maelstrom where I belong. You have the freedom to do as you please, but you don't have the freedom to use it on other people, and thats why it's hard to do anything outside of our crappy rules.

 

There is a reason why Warhammer 40k is called Skubhammer 40k.

 

In before "How is this relevant to my discussion?"

[Smurfalypse]

Just think of a reason to justify fielding whomever / whatever you like. just so when someone says "what the hay". you can say "because, ____________________"

only the options you take are not specialists. there are no such options in the chaos dex . there are no hth specialists , siege sm etc. there are zerkers and plague marines , I mean it says it in the entry. The way your propose lies death of fluff[and lets face it few people play w40k for its rules] , there are no different dexs for different armies . there are no named options , no cult armies. an army of orks can be zerkers [and with counts as it doesnt even have to be converted] , sm loyalist can be eldar and IG can be nids. While I get the idea that everyone wants to use the models he owns the way he wants , am totally not getting the idea of also having to stretch the fluff to absurds . There are no WB specialists , just like there are no siege WE . If there were they would have been mentioned in the last 25 years of fluff . I understand that wining is important and that the zerker/pm list is the best there is , but why not call the army what it really easy [black Legion] and not go in to detail how zerkers are not zerkers and those pms are actually guys with shields.

jeske,

I'm sorry you feel that way. About a game. About a fantasy future. In which the creators have deliberately left room for interpretation, expansion, and each individual player’s creativity to be expressed(through modeling, painting, and even development of your own army's fluff). I have taken advantage of those freedoms that the game developers intended, and highly encourage anyone else that plays, to do the same.

 

Rummy.

Do what you want. You're not going to violate any written/official rule of 40K to have Plague Marines or Thousand Sons in whatever form you chose, in your Word Bearer Army.

 

As far as Fluff goes. Official published Fluff, concerning Word Bearers. There are numerous mentions about how certain Chaos Gods will favor individuals. Heck, even at the end of the last Word Bearer book. There’s a Sorcerer from the Black Legion working with the Word Bearers. There is your precedent, approved by Games-Workshop, Published by the Black Library Fluff.

So again, I say do your thing man. Be creative.

 

 

I 100% agree with jeske on this one. Just play what you want to play and call it what it really is. There is no need to really butcher 25 years of fluff just so you can win a few games with a list called word bearers when it really is a black legion list. Basically its a big lie. The purpose of the legions and the reason people loved their particular legions they always used is because of the 25 years of fluff. They had tendancies that the player liked and agreed with, they use certain units in a certain way that no one else does. Now to say the Word Bearer "HtH specialists" are 100% identical to world eater hand to hand specialists is just a joke. I would personally laugh you off the table and 99% of the people at the local store would do the same.

 

But again, everyone can play what they want to play. MY personal opinion is in the corner of a purist, there is no room for marks of particular gods in a word bearer list, there is no room for icons worshiping a particular god in a word bearer list, there is no room for a splinter faction of word bearers as i would hunt you down and hang you by your intestines from the ceiling fan.

 

=D

[hummus]

the sanctified are a splinter faction

[Smurfalypse]

the sanctified are a splinter faction

 

And as i said...I would hunt you down as they are now "the sanctified" and not "word bearers", the entire legion would be dispatched to try and annihilate you. Hence the whole point, this wouldnt be a word bearer list, this would be a sanctified list and if you are playing sanctified you can do whatever you want and most word bearer players would care less as their fluff is non-existent before this latest dex. <_<

[Rummy]

I think I'll side with CavPathfinder on this one thank mate ;)!

 

I saw somewhere in the chaos codex that a number of noise marines helping out some Chaos Lord whom I believe comes from a different legion..

Thanks for everyones input and have a good one guys and gals :)

[incinerator950]

I thought the Word Bearers had holdings in the Maelstrom, along with the sanctified?