Hrathnar Flintfang Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Brothers, as the day of our new codex draws close I would like to make an army list, a very special army list, and the last one I may make with our current codex. Because of this I would like to make sure their mission goes off without a hitch, but in this case that does not necessarily mean victory. I have a friend starting in 40k, in tyranids to be exact. Now I do not know much about the vile xenos other than that they must be crushed, but I would like to see if he enjoys the game before investing in his first 500 point army. As such I would like to make a space wolves army that will give him, for 500 points, exposure to many different aspects of the game and what can be done in it. I have an idea of what I would like to do, specifically using two dreadnaughts and some grey hunters in a razorback, but before I commit to anything I thought I should ask my brothers how best to demonstrate the game to a new player. This first game will be played with proxy-nids and as such allow him to avoid a purchase he would not be happy about later. I will be happy to take some advice from my brothers about just what they think should be used in such a demonstration before posting my initial list here for review and tweaks. I thank you again brothers for any help in this rather unusual task. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaldnir Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 First of all, i believe this kinda question belongs in the army list section. Second, a list with a bit of everything would be best for teaching a new player the ins and outs. Try 2 grey hunter packs with flamers lead by a ven. Dread with a h. Bolter and m. Launcher if you just want to be mean though.(im assuming 500 points) edit: by the gods i should learn to read. As theres no useful info in this post.(teaches me to post this late) but 750 pts. Would let you work a tank in there so he gets to experience the joys of space marine armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Back when I first started playing I was in school and not working so had very little money to play, so myself and my friends were very careful on what models we bought. So what we did was use "Paper Bases", used pen and paper to make a grid with squares roughly the size of a base (i know they're square but it was too tedious to cut circular ones >.> plus we weren't that nitpicky). On the paper we'd write "Scouts" "Devestator" etc on them so we could tell the difference between them, or you could just use a different colour highlighter for each unit type, doesn't really matter. So we'd write up a list of say 1500pts, even though it was for lists we just started, so we only had 400-500pts of actual models and we did a lot of testing to see how we liked units and how well they performed.. When we had a good idea we were going to use a unit pretty regularly, we bought it, and slowly the Paper Bases disappeared, replaced by actual models. You should only do this with friends though >.> if you go to a GW store and bring out a bunch of cut-out paper bases you'll probably be laughed out of the store XD Since our collection of models has increased dramatically, we no longer need the paper bases, but still use substitute models to test out new units. This may seem kinda dumb but IMO the worst thing you can do when making a new army is make a 500pt one, then as you decide to get more you simply add a few things to it..I just hate the feeling of instead having a good 2000pt army, you have a 500+750+750pt army..really depends on how high you're planning on taking them tho ;p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 in 500 points i think i would only use one dread, and wouldnt worry about min/max size of units. i would take a little of this and a little of that so that he can see different units (barring long fangs). and then enough nids to see a swarm effect against you. prolly mostly gaunts and stealers with a fex and a tyrant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 The paper bases actually make much more sense than what he wanted to do (if any of you know what heroscape is... well yeah) I am sorry if I put this in the wrong place, I have never really felt the need to put any army lists up here before, and I do agree that a little of everything is probably needed. However at this point I am more trying to get ideas of units to include in such an army rather than have the list dictated to me, as I don't want to deprive him of getting to experience one of the basic rules of the game first-hand. I would like to do a better job of this than what I did when I introduced him to Magic, or D&D, or Rifts, or most any other game that I've shown him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 your not asking for a list, your asking for ideas so i think you put it in an ok spot. id also suggest the paper bases if you were trying to show more then just 500 points. other then that, just proxy what i suggested and you should be ok for a basic game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 As for helping him get into 40k..let him borrow some copies of WD (if you got em ;p), link him some battle reports from here or other sites (I think Warpshadow is the big tyranid forum), get him to look at some of the badass models on coolminiornot to get some inspiration. If you play some games with him, don't aim to table him in 2-3 turns, but also don't go too easy on him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well I shall be checking out and pointing him to warp shadow, though thanks to coolmini and looking up how the nids work he is already pretty sure that its the army for him. Granted this may be due to starcraft, but either way I think it fits his personality. Thanks to a combination of looking up stats and rules along with my own copy of 'wargear' we have managed to get him a 500 point list (alot of footwork and net work involved to do so) so at this point I am more looking at the actual rules to expose him to. I have decided on one thing though, I am using my ven dred and putting the wolf guard battle leader in termie armor with a heav flamer so that he can have exposure to invulnerable saves, mixed armor and the like. That and some power weapons and plasma pistols thrown in might help as a good lesson. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I have decided on one thing though, I am using my ven dred and putting the wolf guard battle leader in termie armor with a heav flamer so that he can have exposure to invulnerable saves, mixed armor and the like. That and some power weapons and plasma pistols thrown in might help as a good lesson. So going to be teaching him early to fear flame templates? XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 he is the one who picked nids after all. I figure he had better learn quickly how to avoid the units that can devastate his gaunts with one nice big blast. besides its not like hes not using that whole 'wtihout numbers' thing. I'm sure he will be fine... just fine.... muahahahaha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 At 500pts your options are kinda limited.... Hrmm. Vendread- Assaultcannon, EA, HF- 170pts. WGPL- TDA, RC, PF, C-F -60pts. 6 GHs- 5 Bolters, Plasmagun, PF-129pts. 7 GHs- 6 Bolters, Flamer, Powerweapon- 141pts. 500pts. As a basic all rounder force. Maybe drop the WGPL for a razorback and another GH with a bolter. Keeps it simple and legal... As for Things to use for the nidz, I did this a while back for an apocalypse scenario- we just didnt have enough nidz. So I bought one of those GW packs of round bases and used double sided tape to put the names of units on them... like Carnifex 1 and Gaunt 37 and so on. Worked pretty well. I needed like four packs to do it, but it was alot cheaper considering we were never going to use that many nidz again, and now we have alot of left over bases for Ebay purchases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well that is close to what I was thinking, I'll play with the points and see how things end up. I do think a Razorback would be good because its not only a second bit of armor for him to deal with, but its also a transport. however I also want him to see how Invulnerable saves work from the Termie. Knowing his list though (since I helped make it) I think the armor would be better than more troops as well, even if I end up having to use a rhino, since his list is 30 gaunts with devourers and without numbers, and a nice big juicy Hive Tyrant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hehe... well if thats what your facing Id say then youll want something like this to give proper counters but without overpowering: Vendread- AC, EA, HF- 170pts. 6x GHs- 5 Bolters, Plasmarifle, PF- 129pts. Razorback- 40pts. 6x GHs- 5 Bolters, Flamer, PF- 123pts Razorback- 40pts. 502pts. Or Vendread- AC, EA- 160pts. 6x GHs- 5 Bolters, Plasmarifle, PF- 129pts. Razorback- 40pts. 10x Bloodclaws- 2x PF, Flamer- 170pts. 499pts. Might work fairly well too. Get him used to shooty squads vs assault squads, transports, etc. If you really want to show him some invulnerable saves, armor, etc... hrmm. Vendread- AC, EA- 160pts. 6x GHs- 5 Bolters, Plasmarifle, PW- 124pts. Rhino-35pts. 8x BCs- PF, Flamer- 130pts. Pack Leader- SS, PF- 50pts. 499pts. WGBL-TH+SS-90pts. 6x GHs- 5 Bolters, Plasmarifle, PW- 124pts. Razorback-40pts. 8x GHs- 7 Bolters, Plasmarifle, PW- 124pts. Whirlwind- 85pts. 499pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I had the same idea sorta. Here is my list might be good for laughs at the sheer amount of wargear i put on my models, "pointless" maybe but its still posible so who cares. Linky link Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176940-a-rather-odd-question/#findComment-2091956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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