SamaNagol Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Just so you know, when a model counts as open topped, as our Rhinos do when you open the top hatch, everyone can shoot. But you add +1 to the damage rolls. If the top hatch is closed, you can use one of the firepoints as normal, and only fire one meltagun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2147370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 I am going to give this a try out: :huh: GRAND MASTER 145 5 GREY KNIGHT TERMINATOR RETINUE 230 1 Thunder Hammer 0 :geek: INQUISITOR & RETINUE 130 2 Veterans with Meltaguns 2 Mystics Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour :confused: 7 GREY KNIGHTS 220 2 Incinerators 5 INQUISITION STORMTROOPERS 128 2 Meltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour 5 INQUISITION STORMTROOPERS 128 2 Meltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour :yes: LAND RAIDER CRUSADER 258 Smoke Launchers LAND RAIDER 258 Extra Armour Smoke Launchers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2149463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I am going to give this a try out: GRAND MASTER 145 5 GREY KNIGHT TERMINATOR RETINUE 230 1 Thunder Hammer 0 :down: INQUISITOR & RETINUE 130 2 Veterans with Meltaguns 2 Mystics Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour :sweat: 7 GREY KNIGHTS 220 2 Incinerators 5 INQUISITION STORMTROOPERS 128 2 Meltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour 5 INQUISITION STORMTROOPERS 128 2 Meltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour :P LAND RAIDER CRUSADER 258 Smoke Launchers LAND RAIDER 258 Extra Armour Smoke Launchers I ran almost that exact list for a while, though my inquisitor had a MM servitor and I had a 4 man termi retinue and a couple of extra PAGK. Its a pretty good all round list, just make sure you pick your fights carefully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2149508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asher Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I am going to give this a try out: GRAND MASTER 145 5 GREY KNIGHT TERMINATOR RETINUE 230 1 Thunder Hammer 0 :lol: INQUISITOR & RETINUE 130 2 Veterans with Meltaguns 2 Mystics Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour :lol: 7 GREY KNIGHTS 220 2 Incinerators 5 INQUISITION STORMTROOPERS 128 2 Meltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour 5 INQUISITION STORMTROOPERS 128 2 Meltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & Extra Armour ;) LAND RAIDER CRUSADER 258 Smoke Launchers LAND RAIDER 258 Extra Armour Smoke Launchers Nice, I would drop 1 terminator, 4 and GM should do anything 5 and GM can do unless your footslogging, which I assume you are not. With the points saved on the term, I would bump up the PAGK to 8. Also what's the plan with the inquisitor, it's not a great suicide Melta squad because you give up 2 kill points. If the idea is to protect from deep strikers, then go Plasma Cannon, it erases deep strike units like no other, especially with a sage reroll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2150126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 The idea with the 2 Mystics was to transfer the shooting attack on to probably the Crusader. And then it will operate exactly as a normal Rhino with the 5 IST with 2 Melta in it. Originally the list just had 3 x 5 IST in Rhinos, but the Inq and retinue build comes out to almost exactly the same points. I looked at the points left over and I had enough for 25 pts of wargear on the GM, so instead I dropped one PAGK and added an extra GKT into his retinue effectively giving him an extra wound and greater killing potential for the unit instead of Master Crafted NFW or Hammerhand. Psychic Hood's aren't much use seeing as the entire force is going to be sitting in vehicles until it is in Assault. And 7 PAGK in a Land Raider is more than enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2150852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Just remembered I signed up for a 'Triple Crown' area tournament with our local shops to be held in Warhammer World end of October so I should have some good battle reps then. Waiting on my Forgeworld order and my GW mail order for all these Storm Troops to come through, so hopefully it will be done in time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2154557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Well, although I've been spending the vast amount of my time trying to get everything WYSIWYG, painted and built (I've now got 60/64 SoB painted to a min standard or better, just got to get my squad leaders sorted & finish off my vehicles) I've still managed to get a few games in over the past few weeks. So my list in general is 4 squads of 14 sisters which are specialised into flamer/hvy flamer or melta squads, combi flamer/PW canoness + celestain retinue geared with Flm/Hvy flm in an immolator and 3 exorcists and that's pretty much it. Over the past 4 games (Vs Ninja Tau, Deathwing, Pedro marines & Nidzilla) I've managed 1 win (tau), 1 loss (pedro) & 2 draws. An overall result that I've been really happy with as the lists I've been facing have been tournie developed/worthy. The other thing I've been happy with has been the results I've managed whilst developing this list over the last 12 months or so as I've managed to keep my losses less than either my wins or draws The biggest thing I've found is that for every game I've learnt something and remembered it for the subsequent games. Obviously people will say that my list isn't built to compete at the highest level but I've found that I've been playing a solid game where my knowledge of how they perform goes a long, long way. I'm not expecting a final place, just the satisfaction that it's unlikely there's going to be a similar WH list in the GT. I have to say that I'm looking forward to heat 3 now. It's getting close and with it being my first tournie I admit to being a little nervous but if I can finish above the bottom slot I'll be satisfied. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2156667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 My forgeworld doors arrived. Suprise.... not a single one of them is straight! How do you get your FW bits straight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2157320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 My forgeworld doors arrived. Suprise.... not a single one of them is straight! How do you get your FW bits straight? Warm water and patience. I'm not sure what's going on with FW at the moment, the quality has never been great but recently I've been appalled by the FW odds and ends that I've bought. As for doors I had the full set for my command immolator which I've been taking particular care over painting. I put the back door in place and glued the 2 sides of the model together, then gently opened and closed the door to make sure it was free moving...and the *?%$* thing snapped off at one of the hinges!!! Then I had a panic to yank the thing apart before the superglue set solid! When I looked at the door I found that there was an air bubble straight through the centre of the hinge. Needless to say I went and got a replacment but now I've got the added hassle of trying to clean the glue off the hull because it won't sit true. I reckon FW are too busy knocking out the big stuff to worry about the quality of their lower costing items but with that being the case should they consider ending certain lines that they can't ensure the quality of? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2158261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 I played my first game with Rhinos and ISTs and such things. The Rhinos all god popped, but I did notice it took all the attention away from the LRs in a 'ok I know I won't kill them so lets get the little guys' sense. I played against a pretty average Blood Angels build (No SCs, No VAs or HG, no MM Attack Bikes) and comfortably won an Annhilation mission, but I have always done well in those. All the KPs for him came from blowing up Rhinos and killing the squishy contents. I am not really certain what their job should be. I tried to hold them back to protect the LRs from any moving Armour such as Land Speeders or other LRs toting Melta, but he didnt have much of that. Just a speeder, so I ended up not using them much at all. However as I said, they did act as a distraction and meant only his vindicator was shooting at the LRs and everything else was taking potshots at the Rhinos. What is the best way to utilise them in an offensive role in both KP games and also objective games? Do I dash them ahead of the LRs like outriders and use them to snipe enemy LRs and Melta delivery vehicles before they can reach my precious LRs, or do I have them tag behind the big boys for safety? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2158870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 What is the best way to utilise them in an offensive role in both KP games and also objective games? Do I dash them ahead of the LRs like outriders and use them to snipe enemy LRs and Melta delivery vehicles before they can reach my precious LRs Ding! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2159532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 I did notice that if I held them back they just died anyway. They are far better off zooming forwards under cover of smoke and killing stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2160646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okidus Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 btw, you are my hero for adding the green stuff hoods and heads to hour GKT. I've always wanted to do this, they look amazing, just like the Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2161590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 24, 2009 Author Share Posted October 24, 2009 It's not that difficult if you just take your time and be patient with the dremmel tool and green stuff. That's what I was aiming for. I love the illustrations in the codex myself. Thanks for the kind words! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2161594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 I just found out that this friendly regional tournament they are holding at Warhammer World on Thursday requires armies to be painted! I haven't painted a single model of my 1500pts list, so I am going to be slapping on 3 colours for the next 3 days solid! Argh! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2162758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 So the rush is on. Finished off my last PAGK conversion (will be Justicar for the 3rd PAGK squad if I ever use them) and am still building the GMs Land Raider Crusader. Just realised that the forgeworld Reincofrced Armour kit has somehow contracted and shrunk so the sponsons and doors don't fit in the slots. More brownstuffing to do.... Justicar with Mace: http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00249.jpg GMs Land Raider Crusader: http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00250.jpg http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00251.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2162860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I have now assembled everything. Just finished undercoating it. I have 2 days to give it the lightest and thinnest basecoat possible so as to not mess up any future paint jobs when I come back from this tournament on Thursday. Silver, Gold, red, black and snakebite leather will be going on all the GK and vehicles. The ISTs will just get a VERY quick addition of red and gunmetal over their black primer and the rhinos the same. I am still waiting on what will be my Inquisitor (a Vostroyan Officer( to arrive from GW mail order. I have my fingers crossed it will be today or tomorrow. I am going to try and get my mate to let me use his airgun tomorrow to do the Land Raiders. Will save me a good few hours! Oh yeh, and screw GW and their £12 a pack 4 special weapon ISTs! http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00252.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2165310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 I conceded defeat. I couldnt knock out 1500pts in only 2 days. So I didnt go to the Warhammer World day. Disappointed but such is life. Now I need to strip the paint off this Forgeworld Land Raider and start again, because I primed it in a rush and it has gone a bit spotty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2168200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 OMG I JUST DISCOVERED VALLEJO METALLIC MEDIUM! IT IS THE BEST PAINT EVER! EVERRRRR! You can get brilliant effects by exaggerating the reflections in the metal using this stuff. It allows you to get those drastic NMM effects whilst still using metallic paints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2168286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asher Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 OMG I JUST DISCOVERED VALLEJO METALLIC MEDIUM! IT IS THE BEST PAINT EVER! EVERRRRR! You can get brilliant effects by exaggerating the reflections in the metal using this stuff. It allows you to get those drastic NMM effects whilst still using metallic paints. We will definitely need some photos. Also, try Testors Diamond Dust spray paint for your vehicles. It looks just like Mithril Silver, if that's the color you choose for you knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2168453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Played another game today against IG. 2 Vendettas (3xT/L Las) with Melta Vets in along with 2 infantry units with Plasma Guns, a LR Demolisher (Lascannon & MM Sponsons) and 2 normal LRs and Marbo. We played objectives and rolled 4. Spearhead deployment. I was using my current build of LRC w/ GM & 4 Retinue, LR w 7 PAGK with 2 Incinerators, 2 x 5 ISTs in Rhinos with Melta/Plas and an Inq in a Rhino with 2 Mystics and Melta/Plas Vets. I placed a lot of the objectives markers close as possible in one table quarter so that 3 of them were all within 12 inches of each other with one slap bang in the middle of the board, one in a bastion on the top floor and another on the halfway mark to the left of the centre.. The final one was placed in the diagonally opposite quarter. This was done so I could make an assault or defend objectives using my Rhinos to support the sledgehammers of the LRs. I won the roll for first turn and picked the corner with the 3 objectives in. Basically I used my IST Rhinos and the LRC to push forwards and disable the LRs and then Vendettas as early as possible, and left the LR with PAGK and the Inq sitting on an objective in my own deployment zone guarding against deep strikers and sniping with Lascannon at the Vendettas. Again the LRs survived the entire game as the ISTs managed to kill 1 Leman Russ and the GKTs unfortunately blew up a LR only to get peppered by everything on the board next turn. However their sacrifice meant all of my troops survived the game and I managed to take 2 objectives and contest a 3rd whilst he held zero and contested one with a Leman Russ. All I was left thinking was would I be better off with a 3rd IST unit instead of the Inquisitor, but I surmised that against a Chaos list with Oblits deep striking, he would be invaluable. I have an incredibly durable unit in 7 PAGK in a LR and 2 IST units in Rhinos as Troops for objective missions so I am in good condition there, a 4th Troop choice is not mandatory. I really find that the Rhinos flying forwards using the Land Raiders as moving cover in conjunction with their Smoke Launchers dropping all pens to glancing means they do very well in the 2nd and 3rd turns when they get within melta range. I need to get a second Meltagun into the IST units but was forced to use Plas due to the models at my disposal. Will hopefully have a second built and finished very soon for both squads. I am definitely happy I have gone for the GM, being able to allocate wounds to him without fear of losing a model makes the GKT much more survivable, and he is damned nasty in CC! The Rhinos have definitely made my LRs more survivable as people seem to target them and leave the big uns alone. Almost a case of giving up on rolling the 5s or 6s to get through and just bullying the littluns. But with a cover save and reducing all results to glancing, they are very survivable too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2169727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 How not to strip paint from a tank.... http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00260.jpg Bye Bye £80 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2179376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have 3 weeks to finish this army off. It should be doable, but I am going to France this weekend to play Street Fighter, so it may be a bit tight. Fingers crossed! I will be going to the GT with: GKGM w/ Unguents & Sacred Incense 4xGKT Retinue w/ 1 Incinerator, 1 TH/SS LRC w/ Smoke 7 PAGK w/ 2xIncinerator + Unguents, Frag & Targeter LR w/ Smoke + X Armour Inquisitor w/ BP & CCW, 2x Mystics, 2xVets w/ 1 Meltagun, 1 Plasma Rhino w/ Smoke & X Armour 5 ISTs w/ 2xMeltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & X Armour 5 ISTs w/ 2xMeltaguns Rhino w/ Smoke & X Armour 1500 on the nose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2179400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How not to strip paint from a tank.... http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00260.jpg Bye Bye £80 Ouch. What solvent did you use? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2179521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibious Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How not to strip paint from a tank.... http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/Sa...ol/DSC00260.jpg Bye Bye £80 Put Papa Nurgle on top and convert to nurgle soulgrinder. Sell on ebay for profit? -Gib- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177139-throne-of-skulls-heat-3-blog-pure-gk-now-with-added-ist/page/3/#findComment-2179677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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