ChainsawDR Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hi all, Quick question regarding OBELing scouts... At the start of the game I'm intending my scouts to blow up a tank after either entering from my enemys board edge or from one of the flanks. Am I correct in thinking that only after both players have deployed their main army, do I have to specifically declare that I am keeping my scouts in reserve and they are OBELing, or that they are Outflanking? This way I get to see the deployment of my enemy before declaring and committing to OBEL or Outflank. Thank you guys, just seaking some clarity on this as I messed up in my last game and declared it before my opponent deployed and there were no options left from OBEL but there would have been from Outflank. Cheers ChainsawDR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I might be wrong (as I'm still new to the game) but the way I understand it and the way I have worked it out with the guys I normally play against. If I'm Outflanking the rules say I have to declare this during deployment. OBEL is just a movement option for SW Scouts that are in reserve. So: If I am outflanking from the sides of the board I declare it. If I am going to OBEL or enter from my deployment zone I just declare that they are a reserve unit. The reason being that Outflank you have to roll to see what side you come in on. OBEL if declared gives your opponent the chance to deploy out of reach of your OBEL scouts. This way seams to preserve the fact that you have made a covert maneuver and are surprising his troops. If you have to declare in deployment that you are OBEL then he knows that at some point a unit is going to enter from behind and he can set some trap to handle them. I will declare Outflank during deployment and then roll for the side. or If I'm considering OBEL I will just declare as a reserve and decide his board edge or mine when I make my reserve roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2095873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I declare before battle that i'am going to use the Obel rule, i believe you have to say it before hand. Besides if they move away from the back that would mean that my army gets faster to them and that is what i want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Like all reserves, you would declare it when you deploy your force by stating that they were being held in reserve. So it may be after they have put their army of the table if they have chosen to go first, or before they deploy if you have the first turn. It is reasonable to remind your opponent of any special rules your army enjoys, such as counter attack or OBEL, but you are not obliged to. I would go for the former in a club, friendly or campaign weekend game but would expect someone in a tournament to have done their homework first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 you declare during your deployment... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 sorry guys I'm a bit confused. Normally you deploy Scouts after both armies have deployed their main forces, so surely this is the time to declare - not before? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 the way i do it is like what has been said by Durfast. and on page 94 of the rule book: "When deploying THEIR army, players may choose not to deploy one or more of their units and instead leave them in reserve." to me this means that i have to choose if i am going to infiltrate or keep them in reserve/outflank the unit. i almost always go with OBEL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 sorry guys I'm a bit confused. Normally you deploy Scouts after both armies have deployed their main forces, so surely this is the time to declare - not before? the OBEL rule was written back in 3e, when deployment went by the type of slot that was used by the troops. wolf scouts are elites, so you would declare that they were in reserves while deploying your elites Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Declare/deploy them by what they are doing: If they deploy normally then set them up with the rest of your army. If they are infiltrating, set them up after both armies have been deployed as appropriate. If the are OBELing or Outflanking declare that to be so after your army is deployed. If they are DPing declare that with your other DPs, after your army is deployed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Declare/deploy them by what they are doing: If they deploy normally then set them up with the rest of your army. If they are infiltrating, set them up after both armies have been deployed as appropriate. If the are OBELing or Outflanking declare that to be so after your army is deployed. If they are DPing declare that with your other DPs, after your army is deployed. can wolf scouts outflank? they dont have the scout special rule, or outflank even Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Normally you deploy Scouts after both armies have deployed their main forces, so surely this is the time to declare - not before? But you aren't deploying them as infiltrators, are you? You are keeping them in reserve. can wolf scouts outflank? they dont have the scout special rule, or outflank even They can infiltrate, which also confers the outflank ability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Normally you deploy Scouts after both armies have deployed their main forces, so surely this is the time to declare - not before? But you aren't deploying them as infiltrators, are you? You are keeping them in reserve. can wolf scouts outflank? they dont have the scout special rule, or outflank even They can infiltrate, which also confers the outflank ability. danke, i am still really new to 5e Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Declare/deploy them by what they are doing: If they deploy normally then set them up with the rest of your army. If they are infiltrating, set them up after both armies have been deployed as appropriate. If the are OBELing or Outflanking declare that to be so after your army is deployed. If they are DPing declare that with your other DPs, after your army is deployed. i hope this break down clears it up... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2096973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 ty legatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2098006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawDR Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 thanks you all, unfortunately it wasnt what I wanted to hear but I'm glad I know so won't be cheating accidentily. Cheers ChainsawDR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2099448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forgetful Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I might have missed it, but I'm not familiar with the term 'OBEL'. Could anyone be so kind to enlighten a lost brother of its meaning. *drinks* And if I once knew, I do seem to live up to my name. :P - Forgetful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2099469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I might have missed it, but I'm not familiar with the term 'OBEL'. Could anyone be so kind to enlighten a lost brother of its meaning. *drinks* And if I once knew, I do seem to live up to my name. :P - Forgetful Operating Behind Enemy Lines :o pass me a drink as well that thousand son is just the remains I'm holding above my head :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2099500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greese_m0nkey Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 operate behind enemy lines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2099501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forgetful Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 OperatingBehind Enemy Lines :) pass me a drink as well that thousand son is just the remains I'm holding above my head :D *laughs* :D I do believe you are worthy of a drink my brother. Now let us drink and eat until dawn and then go out hunting for those bastard sons of Magnus. And hit some Dark Angels on their heads aswell. Not kill them though, only show that we are superior to their arrogant chapter. :P ps: thanks ;) - Forgetful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2099516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serigala Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 If I'm considering OBEL I will just declare as a reserve and decide his board edge or mine when I make my reserve roll. If you decide to use OBEL then the codex wording states that you MUST enter play from the opponents side. You can't keep your options open. This does create the issue of how to keep a player honest if he has only declared that the scouts are in reserve, short of a writing the decision on a piece of paper, to be referred to when the unit actually enters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2100269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Oops! Looks like I owe my oppenent an apology. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177279-obel-scouts-rules-query/#findComment-2100594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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