Rhellion Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I'm looking to build a balanced force. Other than my HQ + 2 Tactical / 1 Scout choices, I have a Land Speeder squadron with multi meltas and heavy flamers, an Ironclad Dreadnought, and a Dreadnought with a multi melta. My decision right now is split on how to best use 2 heavy support choices with the three tank options I have. Whirlwind Predator (dakka) Vindicator I play tested the Predator/Vindicator combo last week against Blood Angels and it did very well, obviously. I was able to move the Vindicator forward and do massive damage. The BA player didn't have Scouts, and didn't take too much advantage of cover. That is where the Whirlwind would shine and against non MEq armies. To better keep the army balanced "for all comers" I was thinking of removing the Vindicator for the Whirlwind, and then adding a Lascannon to a tactical and 2 HKM's to the Ironclad with the extra points. Am I crazy giving up the Vindicator for the Whirlwind? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I can't help you my 1,500pt list has a pred, vindicator and whirlwind :'( although my pred is often the now out-dated Tri-las :P Do you have any ideas of the make up of the armies you might be facing. Lots of horde armies or lots of MEQ or what? The other option is unless you intend to use the Autocannon for transport busting you could take a Whirlwind and a Vindicator :P fun times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2097100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhellion Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Do you have any ideas of the make up of the armies you might be facing. Lots of horde armies or lots of MEQ or what? Possibly anything. As many as 16 players and I know most all of them have multiple armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2097106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 2 Vindicators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2097149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Nostromo Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 2 Vindicators? Win! :P However, any two of those will be useful against different opponents. As a vindicator proponent historically, I have really come round to whirlwinds of late. They are soooo cheap for what they can do, and I would suggest the whirlwind/vinicator combo if you want two different choices. Between them, they really can take on just about anything and won't break the points bank either. Buy any vindicators a shield too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2097159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 1 Whirlie, 2 Vindis. Preds just don't seem to cut it anymore in any role :down: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2099852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetterkey Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Autocannon/las Preds can provide good long-range anti-tank if you're lacking in that regard, though I agree that Dakkapreds and tri-las Predators are not so effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2100936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yeah, but thy can't move and shoot more than 1 gun, unlike 4th with AC and a LC per turn. AC/LC is anti-transport, and with only 4 shots if you sit still :), other things can do it better, cheaper. Dread, 2 TLAC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2100952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetterkey Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 The auto/las predator isn't ideal, but if you need LRAT in your heavy support slot for some reason, that's what I'd go for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2100995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothical Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 How does the TL-Las/HB predator stack against the AC/LC ones? The TL-Las one has better firepower on the move (TL-Str9 vs 2xStr7/1xStr9) and when sitting still the HBs stack glances against Rhinos and can penetrate most other transports and light vehicles (Wave Serpents and Chimeras on the sides, War-Walker/Sentinel Squadrons, Raiders, Vypers, Land Speeders, stuff like that) so I wouldn't say it's totally unfocused either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2100996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetterkey Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 The twin-linked lascannon is drastically overpriced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177397-heavy-support-for-a-tournament-army/#findComment-2100998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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