Chaos Titans

[Moress]

Hey all,

 

I had a few questions regarding. My first question is in regards to the construction of new titans. New ones are being built and replaced right? There is the Dark Mechanicum in the EoT, so do they build new titans to replace the ones that have fallen it battle? Also, would it be feasible for chaos to take over an imperial forgeworld to create these titans along with tanks, armor, and ammunition for the followers of chaos?

 

My second question is about the crew. Now all the FW chaos titans depict the crew being "melded" into the titan. Is this true for all titan crews? The way I always saw it was that new crews would still be human, be able to leave their titan and walk around and even be promoted to the command of a higher tier of tanks (Warhound to Reaver). I always figured that only a veteran crew would be melded into their titan, sort of the equivelent of the amniotic tanks that loyalist used in Mechanicum where the princeps was directly wired to his titan. Is this a correct assumption?

 

Also, if anyone has anything else interesting about Chaos titan fluff, please feel free to share. :D

[minigun762]

They are being built, very very very slowly and I would say that the forces of Chaos have the capabilities to create new Titans. Of course there would be alot of competition for who would receive a new Titan, so alot of pacts, deals, rituals etc would have to be enacted to gain sufficient favor.

 

As for the crew, I think it looks scarier/more evil when they're part of their machine, so thats why it always appears that way.

Honestly, I'm sure there are Chaos crews who function similar to their Imperial counter-parts, oddly enough I would assume that a more powerful Princep would have the mental power and force of will to resist being absorbed by the Titan's own corrupted machine spirit, where as weaker ones would simply serve the Titan, not command it.

 

The best example of Chaos Titans that I know of is the Storm of Iron novel. Great read all around, one of my favorites really.

 

With the Forge World, my understanding is that the Word Bearers have a corrupted Forge World on Ghalmek.

[Void Stalkers]

hrm.... titans need massive repair facilites right? so i would think that the tratior titan legions in the EoT would have those facillities and could use them to produce new titans as well...

also, in a SM novel somewhere (iron hands i think) they discovered a buch of imperial titans in a warp storm and found them to be corrupted by the warp energies so there is a way to aquire new ones too

[IronWinds]

Yes we can build them. Parts of the mechanicus did join chaos. We have forge worlds, Medrengard being one of them.

 

 

On the second note I doubt they have a crew. Ok we possess anything big, and basically anything new. Defilers are possessed, basically all of the chaos super heavies come possessed. In the IW novels all the big seige guns are possessed. Why bother training a crew just for them to become part of the vehicle? Skip that part, and just possess the vehicle. Titans would be the 'first' things to be possessed IMO.

[incinerator950]

They don't need to be possessed, but all examples of any crew are either they don't talk at all or they're part of the Titan.

 

As for Titan Legions now falling, I'm sure they don't instantly meld into the Titan as soon as they open to chaos.

[trolly]

hi,

 

Yes we can build them. Parts of the mechanicus did join chaos. We have forge worlds, Medrengard being one of them.

 

 

On the second note I doubt they have a crew. Ok we possess anything big, and basically anything new. Defilers are possessed, basically all of the chaos super heavies come possessed. In the IW novels all the big seige guns are possessed. Why bother training a crew just for them to become part of the vehicle? Skip that part, and just possess the vehicle. Titans would be the 'first' things to be possessed IMO.

 

i always think that medrengard produced mass weapon for chaos forces in turn for slave for the forge. so although in dead sky black sun and storm of iron only mortis legio mentioned, i thnik there is other titan legio dwell in medrengard for refit at least.

 

as for the crew. i think sorcerer will pick who worthy melded into the titan. possibility of possesion is great. in dark aadeptus novel a ship is solely possessed by a demon. but demon is unpredictable. and i dont think traitor legio officer or csm vehicle owner want to see on one occasion that their vehicle run amok just because the demon not satysfied on one thing. it need conduit or interface, and that interface between the demon, the vehicle, and the owner/lord is the crew.

 

cheers,

:)

[incinerator950]

Problem with Possessing anything with a Demon is to keep the Demon pacified, otherwise it will shoot you. Problem with putting a Demon in a Titan is, what if you don't have enough favor with your god? Guess whose shooting you in the arse next.

[IronWinds]

i always think that medrengard produced mass weapon for chaos forces in turn for slave for the forge. so although in dead sky black sun and storm of iron only mortis legio mentioned, i thnik there is other titan legio dwell in medrengard for refit at least.

 

In the IW fluff there is mention of the first grand company guarding a huge collection/armory of technological relics, equipment, machines. They get this stuff by stealing a lot of it. Legio Mortis is mentioned a lot because the IWs have had a long partnership with them. However I am willing to bet there are other titans on Medrengard. The IWs have had a long relationship with Mortis, but that is not going to stop them from adding other titans to their armory.

[minigun762]

In the IW fluff there is mention of the first grand company guarding a huge collection/armory of technological relics, equipment, machines.

 

Ohh where does it say that?

Thats new fluff to me.

 

As for the Titans, I don't think Possession would be the standard really, for the reasons that Incinerator mentioned.

Chaos Marines are selfish egotistical, but even they would be consider humble compared to the personality required to pilot a Battle Titan. (ok not humble but you know what I mean :P )

 

Everything I've heard of them says they must be incredibly forceful individuals, or else the Titan's own machine spirit takes over. And thats in reference to Loyalist crews.

[IronWinds]

Ohh where does it say that?

Thats new fluff to me.

 

The index astartes.

 

"The Iron Warrios are expert sappers, engineers, and miners and have acquired a formidable siege train of specialist equipment over the centuries. This includes Termite tunnelers, a Leviathan transport, Dreadclaw assulat boats adapted for planetyary landings and a large assortment of Imeperial built artillery. There are uses very sparingly and are maintained and guarded by the 1st company. Additionally they have a number of Corvus assault pods which allow them to make use of any supporting Titans as siege towers. The Iron Warriors are so frequently supported by Titans that some Imperial experts have asserted that they are part of the same formation."

 

Ok hadn't read it in a while, technological relics might be stretching depending on what you see as a relic, but the rest is there.

[trolly]

hi,

 

In the IW fluff there is mention of the first grand company guarding a huge collection/armory of technological relics, equipment, machines. They get this stuff by stealing a lot of it. Legio Mortis is mentioned a lot because the IWs have had a long partnership with them. However I am willing to bet there are other titans on Medrengard. The IWs have had a long relationship with Mortis, but that is not going to stop them from adding other titans to their armory.

 

for such a big planet there is always room for another titan legion. :)

 

1st GC is bodyguard of Perturabo right? no wonder they guard it.

but, what about other GC?

is there any possibility that they also keep something for their own?

of course not as much as what 1st GC keep.

 

 

cheers,

:tu:

[IronWinds]

Well we don't want this to become a 'how cool are IWs' thread, but sure the other grand companies likely have things. The Grand Company in Storm of Iron was not the 1st company, but even they had an Imperator titan and a Leviathan transport.

[minigun762]

but even they had an Imperator titan

 

more the THE Imperator Titan, atleast for Chaos

[incinerator950]

Leviathan transport was makeshift, that was awesome.

 

Yeah, wait, where is Perturabo, I always assumed he just ditched his Legion and is off getting laid and drinking because he has nothing better to do?

[IronWinds]

Well he is on Medrengard. GW doesn't really say what primarchs are doing now.

 

I've always assumed he is fidling with technology. Obviously he rules over Medrengard, and I assume Warsmiths occasionaly bring him cool stuff to look over. In addition to armories the Index Astartes also mentioned Perturabo was one of the greatest technological minds of pre-heresy times. I see him trying to find new ways to make their ships faster, or to put even bigger guns on a titan, ect. I personally field knight titans as my defilers because I personally don't see the IWs using something Abbadon built in his basement when their Primarch is a master of technology. So for my armies fluff we mass produce knight titans... which get used in my army as defilers. Knight titan is just bigger, slightly better armor, a structure point and void shield, same weapons(battlecannon, HB, DCCW), just with more shots, and same number of attacks. A damaged knight titan basically is a defiler.

[incinerator950]

Knights are essentially Mecha, except their power supply is less volatile and their Void shield is actually a personal defense field. Knights are a seperate class than Titan btw.

 

I'm contemplating getting my Aaliyah model finished and using that as a counts as for something.

[trolly]

hi,

 

Well we don't want this to become a 'how cool are IWs' thread, but sure the other grand companies likely have things. The Grand Company in Storm of Iron was not the 1st company, but even they had an Imperator titan and a Leviathan transport.

 

having reading the novel, i sometimes confused with the term company, as we used grand company per warsmith.

in the novel the warsmith always says forrix as 1st company leader.

so is the grand company divided into much smaller company?

like loyalist chapter divided into many company i mean.

 

Well he is on Medrengard. GW doesn't really say what primarchs are doing now.

 

I've always assumed he is fidling with technology. Obviously he rules over Medrengard, and I assume Warsmiths occasionaly bring him cool stuff to look over. In addition to armories the Index Astartes also mentioned Perturabo was one of the greatest technological minds of pre-heresy times. I see him trying to find new ways to make their ships faster, or to put even bigger guns on a titan, ect. I personally field knight titans as my defilers because I personally don't see the IWs using something Abbadon built in his basement when their Primarch is a master of technology. So for my armies fluff we mass produce knight titans... which get used in my army as defilers. Knight titan is just bigger, slightly better armor, a structure point and void shield, same weapons(battlecannon, HB, DCCW), just with more shots, and same number of attacks. A damaged knight titan basically is a defiler.

 

defiler have battlecannon, flamer, autocannon, and claw. how to represent this on a knight which have battlecannon and titan CCW. did you put a modification to the model or just told your opponent that the knight is just count as. coz this game is WYSIWYG.

 

 

cheers,

:)

[incinerator950]

This topic is more relevant to my interests, because I just started some fanfiction on one of 4chan's wikis on one of our own personal Titan Legions.

 

I also plan on getting a Reaver sometime this year.

[Sons of Horus]

We can make them, repair them, and steal them.

 

some have their crew melded into them, others are possessed and others are a fusion of Titan and Daemon.

[IronWinds]

defiler have battlecannon, flamer, autocannon, and claw. how to represent this on a knight which have battlecannon and titan CCW. did you put a modification to the model or just told your opponent that the knight is just count as. coz this game is WYSIWYG.

 

I always take my defilers as either extra CCW/ and HB, or two extra CCWs. Wehn you see one of my knight titans it makes sense, they are quite demonic and evil looking. Often having teeth, its not hard to argue the extra ccw.

[Moress]

Thanks for all the input guys. I like all the idea's, keep 'em coming :huh:

 

I think the best inturpertation of a "living' crew is the new FW Reaver titan. The crew is still alive and human, but they are directly hooked up to these tentically things directly to the titan, and the actual crew is still rather human, though extremly mutated, I can see them still get out of the titan and walk around and attend the overall briefings of the warplan in the chaos HQ building or what have you.

 

Well we don't want this to become a 'how cool are IWs' thread, but sure the other grand companies likely have things. The Grand Company in Storm of Iron was not the 1st company, but even they had an Imperator titan and a Leviathan transport.

 

I read that book, though it was some time ago, I don't remember there being a Leviathan, could you please jar my memory? I'm really interested now. :lol:

[incinerator950]

IW captured a Tyranid Hive infected with the Obliterator Virus.

 

They turned it into a carrier for an entire Titan group, can't tell if they were all Legio Mortis, but Dies Irae and a bunch of Warlords were in the group.

[trolly]

hi,

 

I always take my defilers as either extra CCW/ and HB, or two extra CCWs. Wehn you see one of my knight titans it makes sense, they are quite demonic and evil looking. Often having teeth, its not hard to argue the extra ccw.

 

any link to the picture, coz i want to see it, if you dont mind.

 

cheers,

<_<

[Moress]

IW captured a Tyranid Hive infected with the Obliterator Virus.

 

They turned it into a carrier for an entire Titan group, can't tell if they were all Legio Mortis, but Dies Irae and a bunch of Warlords were in the group.

 

Ah, that's right, now I remember, thank you for refreshing my memory :P

[Sons of Horus]

although we must remember that there's a difference between a leviathan transport and a hive ship ;)

 

remember the squats? yeah they had leviathan transports :tu: