dizzy-xc Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hello. New to the forum, and a nice one you all have here. I'm through 2 squads of IF marines and am painting many more... I love their history, but with the 5th edition rules, I can't find siege specialists details or suffer not the works of the heretics to know what they do and have heard they are used with the IF marines. Also have seen an IF marine wielding 2x powerswords. Where can I find rules for that and for Vladimir Pugh, chapter master of the IF marines or so I've read... Just trying to flesh these guys out and there doesnt seem to be any one place it's all located. I'd greatly appreciate some light on this topic and the searches I've done on this forum and others just leave me with more questions. Please help. Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hi there. Welcome to B+C! :D The Imperial Fists don't have a special set of rules exactly. Rather, there is an Imperial Fist special character in the C:SM who will give your entire army Stubborn. Name of Lysander. The rules you mention sound like some of the old traits in the old Space Marine Codex. There not being used now, having been replaced with Chapter Tactics in the new Codex. As for Pugh, no rules for him, you'll have to make up your own version for him using the Chapter Master entry. The Space Marine Codex will have all the rules for people like Lysander and 2x power swords. Most unit entries with the option can take 2x power sword, but it's too many points for what a bolt pistol and power sword can do. 2x power swords is probably more to do with the model and how great it can look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Hey, thanks, DarkGuard. I figured as much... I have the new codex and there isnt a whole lot of flavor. Seems GW is working towards simplifying and speeding up the game. Ok whats this about the Chapter Master Entry? I see where Marneus Calgar can be used as chapter master for any chapter... but what would it take to make a more unique, perhaps less uber chapter master? Just an agreement with my opponent on using him? And are there any traits or special or universal rules that would touch off on the imperial fists being adept at siege warfare, like being able to trade 2x fast attack for 1 hvy support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian MacKay Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 You can field Calgar as Pugh, but you have to use Calgar's stats. Otherwise, just build Pugh from the normal Chapter Master entry. If you run Lysander, he does make the army Stubborn and can fortify a piece of terrain like a tech marine. That and bringing back his Bolter Drill special rule is the closest we get to the old way of doing things. All traits are gone. There is no way to make the IF siege specialists under the current rules other than outfitting the Devs with (I believe) multi-meltas and las cannons. The page on Devastators says something about what they like to use. The only way to have the additional heavies is to play Planetstrike or talk to your opponent. Yes, there is less flavor to the new codex imo. And I play Fists as well as Templars. My Pugh is built using the FW Commander Cullen for the body with a custom stormshield and thunder hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Chapter Master with Artificer armor or terminator armor, two thunderhammers, and an auxiliary grenade launcher is the best way to represent Pugh, Or you can counts as Lysander or Calgar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 nothing to stop you having a guy with dual power swords and then a bolt pistol on his hip or something, only pay for 1 sword but model him with two for looks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 nothing to stop you having a guy with dual power swords and then a bolt pistol on his hip or something, only pay for 1 sword but model him with two for looks Totally true, and can look good. My old Black Templar Marshal (who I still have lying around) had, on the model, one power sword and a chainsword in each hand, a bolt pistol on the hip and another power sword on the back of his belt. I quite liked it, straight from the Black Templar upgrade sprue. Used him with a power weapon and bolt pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 Well, here we go again with FLAVOR. Ck it out: Allright, sticky sitrep. Fabius Bile has the Rod of Torment which rules state that one unsaved wound causes the character to weal in agonizing pain and as such is removed despite any other wounds he might have. Imperial Fist Marines use the Pain Glove all the time, so wouldnt they be immune? So wouldnt when an I.F. Marine gets whacked with Fabius' torment rod, they just shirk it off and keep fighting? I'd hate to see Darnath Lysander removed as a result of something he should be used to. Wonder what u guys think, course (edit) this could be a moot point, the above is from the 2003 CSM Codex. Wonder if Fabius Bile and the rod of torment are in the new chaos space marine codex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Fabius Bile (who I always refer to as Fabulous Bile) does indeed still have the rod of torment, it causes instant death. Lysander however has eternal warior and as such will only take a single wound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 As I saw stated in another tread, but I can't recall who said it... "Lysander is the Chuck Noris of 40K" As I saw stated in another tread, but I can't recall who said it... "Lysander is the Chuck Noris of 40K" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dog Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I'm not sure who said it but it was on the forum; "Lysander is like the hulk, the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets and I'm pretty sure being locked up by a bunch of Iron Warriors made him pretty mad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Well, here we go again with FLAVOR. Ck it out: Allright, sticky sitrep. Fabius Bile has the Rod of Torment which rules state that one unsaved wound causes the character to weal in agonizing pain and as such is removed despite any other wounds he might have. Imperial Fist Marines use the Pain Glove all the time, so wouldnt they be immune? So wouldnt when an I.F. Marine gets whacked with Fabius' torment rod, they just shirk it off and keep fighting? I'd hate to see Darnath Lysander removed as a result of something he should be used to. Wonder what u guys think, course (edit) this could be a moot point, the above is from the 2003 CSM Codex. Wonder if Fabius Bile and the rod of torment are in the new chaos space marine codex? Fluff =/= rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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