Bloodworthy Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 So in the new IG FAQ it states that you treat Valkyries like skimmers except for embarking/dissembarking and contesting objectives. Since, I don't have my rule book with me, when measuring for range when shooting do I angle my tape measure up to the hull? I'm mostly concerned about using meltas to bring down those pesky new IG toys. Does that extra height help put them out of melta range? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 How are you measuring to regular skimmers like Landspeeders? I guess you know that and i think you should treat a Valkerie/ Vendetta the same way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2102191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodworthy Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 My concern lies in the fact that unlike landspeeders or other vehicles on normal flying bases, the flying base for Valkyries are several inches taller, so tall in fact that when measuring for range, say for meltas, the hull could be out of range, especially for adding in the extra D6 for armor penatration. The height difference between a normal foot trooper with a melta and a normal flying base is insignificant when it comes to measuring range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2102203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Such is the downside of firing at things higher than you. You do the same for any other instance where something is on a different elevation. No reason the valk/ven should be exempt from it. Ofcourse, they have to do the same thing to measure back.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2102232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Dan'l Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 When shooting at models on Flying Bases you measure either the stem or the base itself (not sure which, don't have the book at hand). You don't measure "up" to the model. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2102446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Actually no. You measure to and from the vehicle's hull. Such is the downside of firing at things higher than you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2102586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Such is the downside of firing at things higher than you. You do the same for any other instance where something is on a different elevation. No reason the valk/ven should be exempt from it. Ofcourse, they have to do the same thing to measure back.. Entierly correct. unless you and your oponent agree otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2102826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Dan'l Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 When shooting at models on Flying Bases you measure either the stem or the base itself (not sure which, don't have the book at hand). You don't measure "up" to the model. :rolleyes: Ooops. :) Sorry folks. The base bit is for assaults only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2103321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bystrom Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I'd say that you either only use a base or you only use the hull, my interpretation is only use the hull. I only found something on pg. 56, where it says that vehicles don't usually have a base, so measure to the hull instead (in all cases). This brings on problems with some walkers and assaulting though. Reasoning for this: Assaulting vehicles: The assault move is conducted just the same as assaulting other enemy units. Walkers and assault: Walkers assault like infantry models. Vehicles only measure from the hull, and the wording for walkers assaulting is the same as for infantry assaulting, both measure to the hull. So you've got to get the hull of the Walker into contact with the base...? To return more to the discussion, as you measure from the base when firing with infantry to the hull and for vehicles from the weapon to the model (which is said to occupy the area of the base), does that mean that in the latter case, you measure to the base or the body? It would make a difference if you're high up in the air, as the IG valkyrie seems to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2103438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 where it says that vehicles don't usually have a base, so measure to the hull instead (in all cases). This brings on problems with some walkers and assaulting though No, it doesn't. Walkers have a base. Furthermore, in the walker rules on p 72: If a walker has a base, measure ranges and distances to and from its base, as you would for an infantry model. If a walker does not have a base...measure to and from its hull...as is normal for vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2103695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bystrom Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I knew I missed something! <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/177803-ig-faq-question/#findComment-2104455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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