erik ironfang Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Brothers, I am a bit skeptical about this new character Canis Wolfborn and the fact that he rolls into battle riding a huge wolf...not sure if I want to add that to my army list or not...thoughts anyone? Why do we suddenly have wolf riders? Was there a drunken night at the fang and some poor Wolf Guard lost a bet to a Blood Claw and this is how he has to ride into battle now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn the Fell-Handed Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Brothers, I am a bit skeptical about this new character Canis Wolfborn and the fact that he rolls into battle riding a huge wolf...not sure if I want to add that to my army list or not...thoughts anyone? Why do we suddenly have wolf riders? Was there a drunken night at the fang and some poor Wolf Guard lost a bet to a Blood Claw and this is how he has to ride into battle now? looks ok, I may field him to see how good he is and then go fromthere. Wrath of the savage will be good vs Nids swarm lists IMHO... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapniK Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I will probably use him. I love the idea of a horde of wolves with a mech army. The wolves charging from behind the Rhino wall. Plus they will be troop since i think most of my FA choices will be taken Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik ironfang Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 I know we need better fast attack choices, and the abilities he will provide are nice. But I just don't know if a wolf riding Space Marine will fit well with the theme my army has already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I will get him for my collection, fielding him i dont know Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Probably not, but that is because I don't buy/use any characters. No Canis, No Logan, A Wolf Lord or Rune Priest off the generic HQ line is as close as I will ever get to that. Â However if I was more confident in my own painting skills, I could see at least getting one to show off. It might be interesting to see how the nay-sayers react when they actually see the model done right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Canis and as many mounted Wolves on Wolves with wolves riding alongside Wolves. Wolves will wolf my wolfitty wolves, led by caniswolf in the Wulfendy Wulf Wulf. Â Short answer; YES! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 He will probably be 250+ points so no. And if i did i would just use the marine and convert up a new wolf for him, a big mechanical one probably based on a jugger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 no, atleast not this model now if you would say a wolfnought conversion, maybe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Assuming I read the rumors properly, and assuming he doesn't change before release and assuming he fits in whatever point army I'm playing and assuming I can figure a way of making the list work: yes. Because we then have the capacity to take cavalry units as troop choices meaning we can take an entirely cavalry list (with armor to support) resulting in "The Charge of the Light Brigade" in the 40k universe. Â Besides, I actually like the idea of Fenrisian Wolf riders, despite the grumblings from their detractors. We've wolves the size of jeeps and we don't domesticate and ride them? When they're WOLVES THE SIZE OF JEEPS?!! I just wish the riders had lances instead of claws, from an imagery standpoint. From a rules standpoint, not so much... (*looks at Rough Riders and still wonders who thought they were a good idea*) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 i just wonder why they just now popped up. guess the fang was doing some spring cleaning and we found the saddles behind part of the titan lol. we need to clean out the basement more often i think.....lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik ironfang Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Ryzouken, I like the ideas you have of using the cavalry units and the charges, but I've gotta be honest...I'm not sure if I'm a fan of this change. I guess part of it is that I've been playing since 2nd edition, and suddenly there are new wolf-riders? If there was a precedent for it in the fluff (aside from the fact that some Fenrisian Wolves are as large as Rhinos) I would be on board. To me it seems like the writers of the new Codex saw that picture of Saul Remis' on the Forge World site and decided..."Hey, why not write that into the new codex?". I have a few Fenrisian Wolves in my collection that I have converted with "laser beams" on their foreheads...can we send a few pics of those to GW and add them into the next codex? Â From what I've read from the rumors, there are a few things in the new codex that are going back to original 2nd edition stuff. Such as Ragnar's ability to howl, the new Thunderhammer throw (see 2nd edition Torgarl's(sp) plasma blade), the ability to field only Wolf Guard Terminator's as an army (remember the 20 man packs back in the day?), and Njal and Bjorn are apparently back from their vacation. Â I'm excited for the new 'Dex...don't get me wrong...just not sure if I am going to field a Space Wolf riding a wolf...perhaps maybe I'll model a wolf, riding on the back of a shark, who in turn is riding on the back of an elephant...just stomping, biting, and clawing their way across the battlefield...oh, and the wolf has a "laser beam" on his forehead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirnir Ragefang Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I'll probably field him, just heavily converted. I like the idea and the rider, but the Wolf is just plain ugly. Why are all of GWs Wolves so awful? Luckily there are other Miniature ranges to chose from. Â The ability to choose cheap Wolfpacks might also help a great deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I'll just wait on the codex and see how things pan out - there are nicer wolves produced out there in nonGW gaming land... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Field him? Not sure. Need to read the entire book and ponder lists. I do not like the head and stance of the wolf. I just don't and can't get over the cat faced features (i looooove big cats but I want a wolf). The head is so round he could almost be a bear. Himmmm Canis Bear Borne. Bear Rider....hmmmm oh boy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Field him? Heck no, personally I think the whole idea of wolf riders is just criminally stupid. Fenresian Wolves aren't THAT big, at least the vast majority of them aren't, certainly not enough to field whole units of cavalry. It's just a lame idea I think, maybe it has some cool aspects but there's no precedent in the fluff, it makes little sense and just overall seems like a half baked drunken idea based off of that GD Conversion. Â I might, MIGHT get the model to paint up and sit on a shelf, but I seriously doubt I'll ever field him and if I do it would only be for Troop Wolf Packs, I won't be fielding Thunderwolf Riders unless I have a pretty massive change of mind. Â In the end I could have lived with just Canis Wolfborn as a special one off Wolf Rider, that could probably be justified, but multiple packs of Wolf Riders? Nah, that's just... well I've said it already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2104991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuro Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 When I was considering a 13th company list, "counting as" the chaos codex rules-wise, I gave some thought as to how I might field a loyalist demon-prince etc.. To represent the increased stats I was going to model up an uber-exo'd TDA suit. The legs were going to be longer (either extensions from the foot or be entirely bionic, to create a double jointed leg e.g bloodletters) and he was going to have a wicked pair of over-sized lightning claws to balance the model. Â I'm not sold yet on the idea of Wolf riding marines, so if the rules make him worth fielding I imagine I'll revisit this idea - improved legs, possibly with boosters to "count as" mounted speed and bulk him up to show extra toughness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Khammon Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Field him? Heck no, personally I think the whole idea of wolf riders is just criminally stupid. Fenresian Wolves aren't THAT big, at least the vast majority of them aren't, certainly not enough to field whole units of cavalry. It's just a lame idea I think, maybe it has some cool aspects but there's no precedent in the fluff, it makes little sense and just overall seems like a half baked drunken idea based off of that GD Conversion. I might, MIGHT get the model to paint up and sit on a shelf, but I seriously doubt I'll ever field him and if I do it would only be for Troop Wolf Packs, I won't be fielding Thunderwolf Riders unless I have a pretty massive change of mind.  In the end I could have lived with just Canis Wolfborn as a special one off Wolf Rider, that could probably be justified, but multiple packs of Wolf Riders? Nah, that's just... well I've said it already.  You are not aware that there are many species of wolves on Fenris like Thunderwolves.  The biggest are Blackmane wolves and are as big as Rhinos. So Canis' wolf isn't so big at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I don't really like the model and I'm not a big fan of the concept in general. Overall, I won't be spending £20+ on the model as I can think of far worthier things for my money. The plastics I will buy in droves, but so far the metals don't appeal at all I'm afraid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 You are not aware that there are many species of wolves on Fenris like Thunderwolves. Â The biggest are Blackmane wolves and are as big as Rhinos. So Canis' wolf isn't so big at all. Â Different species of Wolves? That must be new because I recall no such thing in existing fluff, at least nothing like different "species" of Wolves. Blackmane Wolves are fluff wise large and imposing, amongst the most dangerous of the Fenresian Wolves but they aren't a different species, they are simply like the Pack Alpha's of real Wolves, dominant beasts that are at the top of Fenresian Wolf society but are certainly not the size of freaking rhinos. After all Ragnar Blackmane kills one of these as an initiate and wears it's pelt. Now if the new Codex is rife with dribble about various types of Wolves to justify this nonsense than that is hardly a justification, it makes the situation even more irritating that not only are we stuck with these things but a fluff retcon to try and validate them. Â IMO Wolf Riders is a sad, sad day for the Space Wolves and does a fairly large disservice to the quality of the Chapters fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Just wanted to pipe in and say, I agree with you, Vash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Right now, just from the way the model looks, my answer will have to be no. His wolf looks like it's seriously bloated and about to regurgitate whatever poor ork it ate for lunch. Â Until some other details surface, besides the ones that say he allows wolves and wolf riders in the army, the jury is still out. Â Probably gorging themselves on gretchin and ale... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Vash, couldn't have said it better myself. Have an ale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Khammon Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 You are not aware that there are many species of wolves on Fenris like Thunderwolves. Â The biggest are Blackmane wolves and are as big as Rhinos. So Canis' wolf isn't so big at all. Â Different species of Wolves? That must be new because I recall no such thing in existing fluff, at least nothing like different "species" of Wolves. Blackmane Wolves are fluff wise large and imposing, amongst the most dangerous of the Fenresian Wolves but they aren't a different species, they are simply like the Pack Alpha's of real Wolves, dominant beasts that are at the top of Fenresian Wolf society but are certainly not the size of freaking rhinos. After all Ragnar Blackmane kills one of these as an initiate and wears it's pelt. Now if the new Codex is rife with dribble about various types of Wolves to justify this nonsense than that is hardly a justification, it makes the situation even more irritating that not only are we stuck with these things but a fluff retcon to try and validate them. Â IMO Wolf Riders is a sad, sad day for the Space Wolves and does a fairly large disservice to the quality of the Chapters fluff. Â Then I'm afraid that we will get a retcon about various fenrisian wolves. As I understand it's described in the upcoming codex. Imo I've not read the fluff part yet, but I heared there are various wolves on Fenris (in size and apparence). Â Normal fenris wolves -> Thunderwolves (the big ones) -> Blackmane (the giants) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Fenris does indeed have wolves the size of Rhino's They are rare but do exist fluff wise. Personally I dont see why the SW did not get some of the larger ones and ride them into battle before?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178048-will-you-use-canis-wolfborn/#findComment-2105152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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