Will you use Canis Wolfborn?

[Kalidane]

Defo won't be touching this Canis nonsense. It's just silly and I don't like new things either so that's two strikes.

 

Making Bjorn even more golly awesome and expensive means he's staying at the Fang this edition.

 

What do you call Space Wolves with Jump packs? That would be Blood Claws with Jump Packs. Skyclaws sounds like some kind of threatening air-courier service...

[Bloodyhandedgod]

Ryzouken, I like the ideas you have of using the cavalry units and the charges, but I've gotta be honest...I'm not sure if I'm a fan of this change. I guess part of it is that I've been playing since 2nd edition, and suddenly there are new wolf-riders? If there was a precedent for it in the fluff (aside from the fact that some Fenrisian Wolves are as large as Rhinos) I would be on board. To me it seems like the writers of the new Codex saw that picture of Saul Remis' on the Forge World site and decided..."Hey, why not write that into the new codex?". I have a few Fenrisian Wolves in my collection that I have converted with "laser beams" on their foreheads...can we send a few pics of those to GW and add them into the next codex?

 

From what I've read from the rumors, there are a few things in the new codex that are going back to original 2nd edition stuff. Such as Ragnar's ability to howl, the new Thunderhammer throw (see 2nd edition Torgarl's(sp) plasma blade), the ability to field only Wolf Guard Terminator's as an army (remember the 20 man packs back in the day?), and Njal and Bjorn are apparently back from their vacation.

 

I'm excited for the new 'Dex...don't get me wrong...just not sure if I am going to field a Space Wolf riding a wolf...perhaps maybe I'll model a wolf, riding on the back of a shark, who in turn is riding on the back of an elephant...just stomping, biting, and clawing their way across the battlefield...oh, and the wolf has a "laser beam" on his forehead.

 

 

ok I like the idea of the thunderwolf cavalry but want to do my own unit on plastic wolves - bigger than gw plastic wolves - any idea where I can get them?

[Wolf Lord Fenrir]

I won't use him. The model is bloody awful.

[Night Runner]

'Don't kick it till you've tried it' I think it's a maxim that applies here. I'll play 2 or 3 games before I decide to field TWC. If they are vaible play-wise and point-wise and if the models are good; I might field them as 'full blooded' Wulfen as opposed to MotW in GH packs. I certainly wont be using the Canis model the way the wolf is. It looks like a giant jolly husky trotting. Before I field that model it'll have to go through the meat grinder and altered significantly. I'll also alter Canis' weapons to a power spear or sword and 'bladed' shield that count as wolf claws. I think it would be more credible visually like this.

[Wolfpriest Cjarl Nightmane]

;) BY RUSS, HELL YES I WILL use Canis!!!

 

Waited to many years for all this goodness not to!!!

 

AAARRWWWWOoOOOOOOOOO!!!

[EisWulf]

I have had thoughts of creating a second army to field Riding Wolves & bike combinations. Still going over the details and then possibly building the army.

Once done might have my friend square up his DA’s for a bout or twenty.

Yet, if I don’t like how it turns out, might just get the model for the shelf.

 

 

 

EisWulf

[Wolf Lord Fenrir]

Yet, if I don’t like how it turns out, might just get the model for the shelf.

 

Personally, I wouldn't give it houseroom.

 

If FW produced a wolfrider model, I'd use the unit.

[Oldenhaller]

Yup, great rules for both Canis and the Thunderwolves....they're frikkin awesome.

 

the model for Cannis is so sub-par when compared to the new termie Njal it's silly, but as i've got tsar boris' bear to convert into a wolf from back when I ran 13th company I'm happy.

 

Doubles tournament where I can take a 500 point cav list and my counterpart takes lots of scoring guard units? hells yes!!

 

~O

 

Edited for Grammar

[Kalidane]

It might be that there is more than one approach people are taking here; gaming vs fluff.

 

Remember that novel where Thunderwolf Cav did that cool thing? Me neither. As someone mentioned earlier, GW has spilled some WHFB on our codex. Don't like the fluff/concept so it ain't happening.

 

But what if each model had the statline of a landraider and cost 10 pts? Don't like the fluff/concept so it ain't happening.

[FuriousFerret]

Powerful rules, terrible model, AWFUL concept.

 

So I'm torn, dontchaknow.

 

I'd have to go with the "Rampaging Wulfen" counts-as suggestions to justify using Canis Wolfborn, or Thunderwolf Cavalry. Which leaves me up a certain creek when it comes to representing wolves and cyber wolves without riders. Maybe as inhuman servitors of a sort.

[Night Runner]

It might be that there is more than one approach people are taking here; gaming vs fluff.

 

Remember that novel where Thunderwolf Cav did that cool thing? Me neither. As someone mentioned earlier, GW has spilled some WHFB on our codex. Don't like the fluff/concept so it ain't happening.

 

But what if each model had the statline of a landraider and cost 10 pts? Don't like the fluff/concept so it ain't happening.

 

Your logic is slightly flawed here. Back in the 2nd edition Wulfen were not employed in units on the field. They were the result of aspirants not making it passed the transformation stages and they ended up roaming around Fenris. But fluff, being what it is, changes according to the ideas, visions and tastes of the designers; and the Wulfen were introduced into our ranks (Russ be praised). In a few years time they might write up another trilogy that includes TWC and the fluff will be there. Come to think of it, if they are in the new dex then a foundation for the fluff already exists.

 

Naturally if you don't like the TWC, fluff or not, that is you right. If you don't want to play them, then don't. It's your army and your game, play with the Wolves anyway that you find enjoyable.

[Oldenhaller]

to take an idea and run with it....

 

if people don't like the idea of wolves which are being riden by marines then why not go for wolves with beast hhandlers or something of that ilk. You still have the two models on the base just one is chained to the other rather than riding it? Not cav...but maybe if you put the marine on a power board...?

 

;)

 

~O

[LPetersson]

It might be that there is more than one approach people are taking here; gaming vs fluff.

 

Remember that novel where Thunderwolf Cav did that cool thing? Me neither. As someone mentioned earlier, GW has spilled some WHFB on our codex. Don't like the fluff/concept so it ain't happening.

 

But what if each model had the statline of a landraider and cost 10 pts? Don't like the fluff/concept so it ain't happening.

 

Your logic is slightly flawed here. Back in the 2nd edition Wulfen were not employed in units on the field. They were the result of aspirants not making it passed the transformation stages and they ended up roaming around Fenris. But fluff, being what it is, changes according to the ideas, visions and tastes of the designers; and the Wulfen were introduced into our ranks (Russ be praised). In a few years time they might write up another trilogy that includes TWC and the fluff will be there. Come to think of it, if they are in the new dex then a foundation for the fluff already exists.

 

Naturally if you don't like the TWC, fluff or not, that is you right. If you don't want to play them, then don't. It's your army and your game, play with the Wolves anyway that you find enjoyable.

 

 

Personally, I think you're both right.

The fluff isn't there yet (The codex isn't out for another 4 days ;)) but it will be.

 

Having said that, I think the idea is absolutely terrible, andI'll figure out a way of doing some 'count as' models. Attack bikes with a wolf or to would probably do it.

[twistinthunder]

im using him i thinks its really wolfy to ride into battle on a huge wolf. im taking 3 units of 5 thunder wolfs in my army.

[MechSpacewulf]

What good woulf it be to have Fenrisian Wolves count as troops if they can not hold an objective?

[Wispy]

They're the kind of squad you'll definitely want more then one of if you decide to use them, so if they're troops you can spend them from your troops slot and not waste precious fast attack slot on them.

[WG Vrox]

For those of you that will not cross the fluff line and use a thunderwolf or Canis, might I remind you that you already play with little plastic doll pretending to shoot other little plastic dolls.

 

Come now, is it that much of a stretch for you to include a man raised by wolves who might ride a giant thunder wolf into battle.

 

 

If that does not help convince you:

Think back to the story Jungle Book and how nice those animals were to the kid after they raised him. They all let him ride them at some point. On a seperate story, even Tarzan knew riding into battle was a kick :) way to get the job done.

 

WG Vrox.

[Ragnar the Red]

I will wait untill I get my hands on the codex and play with it a bit. If they play well I will use Thunderwolves in my army. My primary interest is in fluff and modeling, so I will have the model.

[Sanguinius Chosen Wing]

Theres somehing simillar that was shown at a GD(?) which looked moe in lines with a juggernaught. The marne also had a lance which looked alot cooler as well but with a bit of putty you could wolf up a jugg or make this wolf look a little more like it walkd off Mars rather thanFenris which might work out alot better and explain away some inconsitences.

[El Scotcho]

WG Vrox

For those of you that will not cross the fluff line and use a thunderwolf or Canis, might I remind you that you already play with little plastic doll pretending to shoot other little plastic dolls.

 

Come now, is it that much of a stretch for you to include a man raised by wolves who might ride a giant thunder wolf into battle.

 

 

If that does not help convince you:

Think back to the story Jungle Book and how nice those animals were to the kid after they raised him. They all let him ride them at some point. On a seperate story, even Tarzan knew riding into battle was a kick censored.gif way to get the job done.

 

I have to agree with you brother. I admit, I used to be a fluff nazi too, but then I realized I wasn't having fun playing the game anymore, because of the limitations I had myself all because of some pieces of fiction written 10 years, or more, ago. I can't, and won't, stop you from doing what you want when you play the game, but part of the fun of it is the new stuff that comes out every time they update an army. And just to be clear, I'm not accusing anyone of being a fluff nazi, I'm just trying to advocate being open to new additions to the army background that we all enjoy.

[SamaNagol]

Suspension of disbelief.

 

That's why the 'we all use toy soldiers in the far future so....' argument doesn't really hold weight. About as much weight as a canine's spine in fact.

[Valerian]

Suspension of disbelief.

 

That's why the 'we all use toy soldiers in the far future so....' argument doesn't really hold weight. About as much weight as a canine's spine in fact.

 

What does a canine's spine have to do with anything?

 

Valerian

[Hrathnar Flintfang]

Suspension of disbelief.

 

That's why the 'we all use toy soldiers in the far future so....' argument doesn't really hold weight. About as much weight as a canine's spine in fact.

 

 

Suspension of disbeleif, game design 101.

 

However it seems that many people make a point of having very selective suspension. We already buy that the most logical form of tanks are those dreamed up in WW1, we buy that anime space communists with blue skin and hooves could stand a fighting chance against a galaxy spanning xenophobic military machine simply because a few resources were diverted elsewhere (at least most of you may, my hatred of the Tau forces me to consider them fanfiction). we buy that a 45 mellenia (or older) guy on life support who is the reincarnation of a group fo shamen who committed ritual suicide because they somehow knew they would make an ubershamen was the true messiah....

 

I agree suspension of disbelief is important, but I think by that same token what is happening here is people seeing the model before reading the fluff and then getting up in arms because it does not match the old fluff, or the books, all of which is apparently free for change anyways because GW NEVER keeps track of it.

 

The sad truth is GW hires BAD writers. I mean really bad, to the point where I think many people on this forum could do better. What is more they do so without forcing them to re-read the old works or otherwise making them stick to it. Even now when we have a Wiki up with all the info set in stone people ignore it. Why? because they don't care. When you boil it down 40K is really little more than a bunch of Sci-fi geek wargame fans who decided to take all the Sci-fi cliches of things like starship troopers and alians and then boil them all down into a zaney funny fantasy-esque goo that then got reshaped into something that closely resembled a joke. Its poor parody on a massive scale. But then people started to get serious about it, people who often had no idea what they were doing in the first place when it comes to writing a story. I mean look at the squats, the second the people at GW decided that they were going to try and take themselves seriously the squats just 'had' to go because they 'didn't do dwarves justices'. There was a perfectly acceptable army that even now has a fairly large fan base to them, which GW has fought hard to get rid of simply because they don't think it fits. There is no rational reason why they had to go, but that doesn't matter, because the writers and people at GW don't know what they are doing.

 

The sad truth is that people writing for GW don't know what they are doing, can't write well, and are working with a setting that was written more as a joking nod than a solid and well thought out concept. That there is any suspension of disbeleif from ANYONE is a sign that people have a strong desire from the getgo to believe in it. Canis is no more a ridiculous concept than anything else in 40K, the whole game is rife with absurdity to an almost annurism-inducing point. That is not to say that you are wrong for trying to be fluffy brothers, but even then there is a point where you can invest too much into one concept of something and throw stones at others which are just as absurd based on arbitrary criteria. So some Wolf Lord finally noticed that some of the wolves on Fenris are the size of Toyota Tundras and realized it might be nice to ride one, its not that hard to buy considering we are talking about space vikings led by a "man raised by wolves" who 'just happen' to possess the proper genetic flaw to become werewolves!

 

in the end brothers, its important to keep perspective.

[RogerRushmore]

Suspension of disbelief.

 

That's why the 'we all use toy soldiers in the far future so....' argument doesn't really hold weight. About as much weight as a canine's spine in fact.

 

 

Suspension of disbeleif, game design 101.

 

I agree suspension of disbelief is important, but I think by that same token what is happening here is people seeing the model before reading the fluff and then getting up in arms because it does not match the old fluff, or the books, all of which is apparently free for change anyways because GW NEVER keeps track of it.

 

The sad truth is GW hires BAD writers. I mean really bad, to the point where I think many people on this forum could do better. What is more they do so without forcing them to re-read the old works or otherwise making them stick to it. Even now when we have a Wiki up with all the info set in stone people ignore it. Why? because they don't care. When you boil it down 40K is really little more than a bunch of Sci-fi geek wargame fans who decided to take all the Sci-fi cliches of things like starship troopers and alians and then boil them all down into a zaney funny fantasy-esque goo that then got reshaped into something that closely resembled a joke. Its poor parody on a massive scale. But then people started to get serious about it, people who often had no idea what they were doing in the first place when it comes to writing a story. I mean look at the squats, the second the people at GW decided that they were going to try and take themselves seriously the squats just 'had' to go because they 'didn't do dwarves justices'. There was a perfectly acceptable army that even now has a fairly large fan base to them, which GW has fought hard to get rid of simply because they don't think it fits. There is no rational reason why they had to go, but that doesn't matter, because the writers and people at GW don't know what they are doing.

 

 

in the end brothers, its important to keep perspective.

 

I remeber the Slann or is that Slaan, the lizard guys. The IG Commissar trainning squads, the IG white shields, the Mentor Legion, Robots, jetbikes, all gone. well except the mentor legion, change the badge, and make them codex, instead of eltie squads that were rented from Mars. the Red Scorpins was to be Legion of the Damned chapter 666, changed. All the chapters foundings, and some of the badges not to mention the Titan legion chapters, changed...mostly after 1st ed. the RT book and the Compenduim. Remeber when Leaman Russ could be fielded, RT days from the Chapter Approved book, the one with the space wolves on the front cover, the model is still around. not to metion space marines with Webbers, conversion beamers, shirken catapults, mono filament wire, ect. all of john blanche's craxy drawings oh yeah the umberhulk looking creature. Not to mention 40k was to be used with Fanasty so you can play marines on a feudal world. Lots have changed but I still shake my head and go on.

 

So what is so bad about riding a wolf, sure the model is not all that kool, (remeber the old Primarch Leaman Russ model), but how does Canis play? Can he kick some ork tail or make nids run for cover? he is only 185 only 85pts more than a run of the mill wolf loard, shoot PFs are 25pts after you load a WL down they are almost the same price or really close. I intend to try him out, if anything another model to show case like my 1st (breeks)-4th ed wolf models. Hope he can fill the spot of my Russ tank, guess I will find out soon.

just a note I have always disliked Ragnar taking Leamans pack icon, not to mention in the new ed Ragnar costs too much 240pts and still does the same old thing with a twist.

[SKI77LES]

Brothers, I am a bit skeptical about this new character Canis Wolfborn and the fact that he rolls into battle riding a huge wolf...not sure if I want to add that to my army list or not...thoughts anyone? Why do we suddenly have wolf riders? Was there a drunken night at the fang and some poor Wolf Guard lost a bet to a Blood Claw and this is how he has to ride into battle now?

A. He gets an attack 4 evry model in base contact!

B. He is a huge hunk of metal that creates an awsome centre piece!

C. HE IZ HUGE!!!!

D. He is an awsome detailed model 2 paint!

E. Heeez got wolf claws that means rerolls 2 hit or wound!

And finally...

F. HE IZ HUGE!!!!!!!!