Levitas Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 A friend who plays Blood Angels reported gleefully that he had beaten 2ks worth of new wolves. Granted he has been playing BA's for years and is a true veteran. I enquired as to what he faced, and the 2k list included Logan, Ragnar, Njal, LRC and claws, Long fangs, and a few GH squads. The crux was that the BAs could use speed to pick the assaults, and death company are always nasty. He asures me the wolf guy was not a noob. He also confirms that he vastly outnumberd the wolves. Does point to early warnings that too many heroes can spoil the ale... and be top heavy. I also put it down to getting to grips with new dex. Either way, I think some restraint will be needed when it comes to HQs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Well the first 4 things in that list add up to over 1100 points, and with a 2k BA list running at least 4 MM Attack Bikes in it that Crusader may as well just be 260 pts of cover. I think that, whilst they are being marketed as a super elite army with access to untold amounts of gear, the strongest builds will just be based around Njal and a heck of a lot of Claws and Hunters in pods and Rhinos supported with Long Fangs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppella Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 A friend who plays Blood Angels reported gleefully that he had beaten 2ks worth of new wolves. Granted he has been playing BA's for years and is a true veteran. I enquired as to what he faced, and the 2k list included Logan, Ragnar, Njal, LRC and claws, Long fangs, and a few GH squads. The crux was that the BAs could use speed to pick the assaults, and death company are always nasty. He asures me the wolf guy was not a noob. He also confirms that he vastly outnumberd the wolves. Does point to early warnings that too many heroes can spoil the ale... and be top heavy. I also put it down to getting to grips with new dex. Either way, I think some restraint will be needed when it comes to HQs. So these was something like 20 SW models on the table? Sounds like the SW player was a Blood claw, and got too carried away with the cool lookin toys. There will be a bit of Hero-hammer to a SW list, if you like that sort of thing. There are tons of options for it. There is something to strength in numbers though. Wolf pack folks, wolf pack. Come on, I'm a frickin Inquisitor here ... you pups are already suppose to know this stuff! lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 ya wow 3 named characters and little in the way of substance....no wonder he got his but handed to him. njal and maybe a cheep wolflord is all i would field then fill in with grey hunters. maybe some wolf guard termys for some support with njal. he made the big mistake up taking all the shiny things and not sticking to core. when i worked for GW that was the hardest thing to get across to people. shinny new toys in a codex, but the core of your army is your troops and how you use them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Some of us would rather lose with our small heroic groups and rather than make an army best for killing, but still it seems that whoever it was either got carried away by the new dex or was indeed newer than they let on. A list like that may have benefited more from a larger number of claws and Hunters, along with some transports to help equalize the speed a touch. Honestly though these are almost wild guess as we don't know what the BA had with them. All I can say is that from the sounds of it, he made the list looking to try out some fancy new HQs and characters, rather than thinking about how to make his pups more effective as a whole. All I can say is that Oct. is going to have quite a few 'interesting' reports to read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectre312 Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Being a BA (flesh tearers since 3rd :D) player and a wolf player ( I love them both, so :tu:) I have to say, hearing about the fairly expensive BA outnumbering anybody is an odd change. I can't wait to get my grubby little hands on a new list to see how my builds line up against eachother in numbers of models and manueverability.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I believe the problem was in the HQ section. It seems more like a BA army against SW parade show. Well, we'll see later .) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I think the SW guy just went overboard on characters and upgrades. I toyed around with a list based off of rumor prices, so it'd probably be a little off, was something like this.. njal,WP,4x10 hunters, 2x 10 wolves, 6 WG bikers, 5 scouts, 12 long fangs..seems like i'll have a lot more models on the table than most of my wolf brothers..heh.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I would respectfully state that the Wolf player seemed a bit of a newbie. It's one thing to have a character, maybe two. Three is overboard in the extreme, and is nothing but a point-sink. Furthermore, I'd like to request, if knowledge is available, the type of game. If it was "Slaughter", I can see the easy win for the BA. However, if it were control points or quarters or KP, I think it'd merely be tactical inability on the part of the Wolf player. I think this only illustrates a point; We are powerful with the new Dex. That does not make us invulnerable, and I think every Wolf would do well to assume that, no matter who they're facing, we are not automatically guaranteed a win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Way too early for speculation. 1. We don't know the true level of the ability of the sW player 2. List was probably not optimized because we have not giving a thorough flogging by playing games, especially tourneys. (Yes he took a list with a ton of high point low model goodies) 3. As stated what mission was being played. 4. They should play the best 5 out of 7. If the SW player is really a decent general, he may have to work out the webs(list is still top heavy tho) 5. There are just too many ways to field wolves now. It's going to take some time with all the different builds to see what really works. What I really hope happens is that you tell a player you are bringing wolves, but they have no idea which build you are going to bring. If someone expects the list that was used in this game, and I bring 70-80models with a large backbone of FW, they may be in trouble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 The game was objectives based, I think seize ground. The BA player bought the favored dante & corbulo double act along with vet squad, maxed death company, couple of assaults squads and tacs in rhinos. Backed up by MM attack bikes. He is good and doesn't loose often. I told him straight away that the guy had got excited at being able to take multiple HQs. I thought it was a GW staffer that was trying to show the new toys, but was infact a regular wolf player. The lesson is not that the codex isnt strong enough, far from it. But any old wolf with all his teeth knows not to go top heavy and get carried away. But the temptation is there for younger wolves who just cant see how strong grey hunters are as troop choices and will win game after game. This should be the core after the dust has settled on hammer throwing, wolf riding, and disappearing Mick Hucknals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 i played yesterday with BA 2k wolves, where was this game played at? if it was me that was playing id like to dispel some myths. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2106998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Well you have to remember that it mainly revolves around tactics and a bit of luck as well. I mean from the sounds of it the players list wasn't exactly sound but who knows? We've had people winning with our codex for nine years, with two edition updates and we've had people win. So let us not condemn ourselves yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2107034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 im not, and i am noticing some things with my list that am wanting to change, its good for some things, and a little weak when it comes to obj based games. the list i played yesterday i just took logan as a quick points sink. still not used to 5e, but i will get there soon enough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2107048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Don't worry brother I wasn't referring to you, it was a general statement to those who may suddenly think, "We got beaten! It's not fair! We should win every game." Because 40K and life itself doesn't work like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2107052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Don't worry brother I wasn't referring to you, it was a general statement to those who may suddenly think, "We got beaten! It's not fair! We should win every game." Because 40K and life itself doesn't work like that. Oh i didnt take it as a refence to myself. I am just trying to find a good balance with what I have, and what I need to be using. I think with new dex tho, I will be running more GHs then BCs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178189-ba-reports-win-at-local-gw-against-new-wolves/#findComment-2107063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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