Levitas Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Well, it looks like the SW will be quite popular. I saw the codex banded about with glee at my local store. Even the die hard chaos players were reading over the new rules and toys. It will sell very well, and SWs will pop up all over the place. For those that have played through the barren years, do you view this as a good thing or frown at the bandwagoners who could be gone come nids or blood angels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpsilver Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Well, it looks like the SW will be quite popular. I saw the codex banded about with glee at my local store. Even the die hard chaos players were reading over the new rules and toys. It will sell very well, and SWs will pop up all over the place. For those that have played through the barren years, do you view this as a good thing or frown at the bandwagoners who could be gone come nids or blood angels? Bandwagoners are enthusiastic for a short while however once a newer codex that looks appealing they will jump ship. Or they will just go back to their original armies after a few weeks/months due to lack of interest. I don't like to be stereotypical but it always happens, every codex release. For now it seems that the Wolves have had a large influx of Blood Claws but I have no doubt It will die down. I can see why some of the Older Wolf' players around here frown upon it but there is nothing to worry about. Nothing out of the ordinary. The players that lose interest (wagonbandars <_<) tend to not be interested in the background of the army of the style, but more towards how 'Koowl' the units look or how powerful the codex is. Give it 2 months after release and I imagine a large portion of the new influx will be dead. Guess you could they are dead due to being killed on the battlefield as a hotheaded bloodclaw, but hell. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Well, I hope for beautiful pics from beautiful models painted by bandwagoners who are better at painting then myself. Might help me to finally finish my crude table top Wolf-army which seems to have been in a wip-stage for about ... uh .... five years :P . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Well I welcome all new Blood Claws! And the bandwagoners as well, because once they move on they tend to sell their stuff on ebay which means that newer wolves who are here for the long run can get a head start, wheras I prefer to model and paint myself due to transport issues and the like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Glad to see new players join the pack. If the "jumpers" stick around, great, if not, it's a game and it won't bother me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger of Wolftime Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Well I suppose most would consider me a bandwagoner, since I'm joining the ranks of the Bloodclaws with the new codex. Thats ok I guess, but I garantee I'm far more then a mere bandwagoner. As I shall not abandon the Wolves after a few months...Fang and Claw, for Russ, and the Wolftime! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The new folk don't bother me much, although some of the questions can get a little tedious. That's to be expected, though, considering they haven't all been following the fluff for 20 years. On the positive side, maybe one of these new "bandwagoneers" will want to get a head start on their army and will buy some of my older painted units, so that I can get started on some new stuff B) Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJackal Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Well a few people I know have called me a bandwagoner because I've only just started Space Wolves but I havn't been playing 40k too long and I've always been a die hard fan of werewolves and vikings so I will definelty be staying, that and I'm a fluff nut and nobody beats SW fluff. (My friend who plays DA tries to tell me they do because they have their Arch-heretic held captive, I just say "We're so awesome we don't have an arch-heretic!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar Bloodaxe Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The more the merrier! I finally get to update my army after all this waiting and I love that others want to revel in the excitement! Great join in and do the SW proud I say! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corver Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Some of us old timers had fallen off the wolf wagon as well, I have only played 1 game of 5th ed. Thats going to increase now the dex is out. there are alot of ork players down the shop that need to be smashed up. So i welcome all these new blood claws, as the more SW players there are the more likely we are to be supported by GW and maybe wont have such a long wait next time. I still want to see a 13th co list, even if its on the web or something. You never know, we might learn some new tricks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar Bloodaxe Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Some of us old timers had fallen off the wolf wagon as well, I have only played 1 game of 5th ed. Thats going to increase now the dex is out. there are alot of ork players down the shop that need to be smashed up. So i welcome all these new blood claws, as the more SW players there are the more likely we are to be supported by GW and maybe wont have such a long wait next time. I still want to see a 13th co list, even if its on the web or something. You never know, we might learn some new tricks. I agree Corver. Well stated. I fall into that category of "fallen off". In celebration of the new dex, I started repainting my army and I acquired the new SW sprue and am assembling them now. I hope to be more active now than I have been in the past. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The only issue I will take with Bandwagoners will be those who take their existing space marine armies and attempt to use our codex in some sort of "counts as" abortion. I've played SW from the beginning of 4th on. 4th was arguably where our codex was weakest, as we'd just lost the Rhino rush and alternatives were few and far between. This was when drop pods were $150 on FW and for a decent army, you needed 3 or more. 5th rolled around and made our old dex better, and we didn't have to wait too much longer for our new dex (so soon... so soon...) all during that time I ran with our dex, ignoring the shiny new characters and the like that new codexes came up with. Now granted, DA and BA kind of got the shaft in it all, and we got most of the vehicles from the SM dexes that rolled out, but still, the principle remains. It won't be fun to tell my opponents that they have to use either codex: DA or codex: SM for their Dark Angels Green marines or the BA WD insert or codex: SM for their red marines. We'll see how many people try it. The rest? Meh. They'll stay and be welcomed or they'll fade and gimme their stuff (for cheap!). Win-win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 New Blood Claws are fine, though I personally find the true bandwagoners just around for the cheese a real pain in the backside. Maybe I'm just getting crotchety in my old age. Anyway I plan on secluding myself in my den for a month or two when the new Dex is released, reworking my army list, building and painting new models and waiting for the hubbub to die down some. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 new blood is always good be short or long term what i dont like as ryzouken says are counts as haveinsaid that i think its fine with your own creations i dislike say ultramarines using wolf books and such or chaos using orks coz its trueer to da fluff etc band wagoners welcome stick around you might learn something and have fun doing it after all its your cash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I don't mind them so much b/c I figure, like many of you, that they'll be gone in a month or two anyhow. While I welcome any new members to the fang, my initial reaction to them is... "meh..." :mellow: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanger Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I guess SW will be similar to the Ork release. A lot of "veterans" will probably dust off their SW armies, and there will be an influx of new players aswell. Some people will move on later, some will stick to it, and there will be those, who never abandoned the Wolves and never will :mellow: I for myself are coming back to the Wolves. Never truly left them as even my Chaos army is painted in Wolf colors ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 {{EDIT: I may end up getting the Banhammer for this one... I do stand by my statements, however.}} I won't lie. I don't like 'em. Those of us longer in the fang have suffered through hardship after hardship of an outdated codex, watching as other armies that don't really need updates suddenly have new codexes. Tyranids. Eldar. Marines (twice). Guard didn't -NEED- a dex, but it's good that they got one. Time after time, GW has passed us by, and we've made due with what we've had. We've struggled against these updated dexes, and you know what? We won. For Russ and for the Emperor, we won, we fought against the adversity, the "Cheese", the powergaming, and the ridicule of having such an outdated codex. We've literally fought for every ounce of respect that we've earned this past decade. We've fought for it, tooth and claw, and now, NOW that Gee-Dub has decided to grace us with the honor of an updated Codex, people decide to play? Yeah. I take issue with you Blood Claws. I take MAJOR issue. I just had my entire army (13th Company) folded under the crushing advance of a new Codex. The army I've fought with and laughed with, slaughtered with. The army that came damned close to singlehandedly stopping the advance of the Necrons in the Medusa V campaign (1500 points of 13th racked up almost 8000 points worth of Necrons, including seven Monoliths). That army, MY army, MY brothers and MY investment did that. Games Workshop just took that away without any hint of remorse. There's no apology, there's no consideration. There's just profit. I lost what I worked so hard to establish at the swipe of a pen. For what? For profits by Gee-Dub wanting to sell more models. :yes:: you, Games Workshop. So yeah, I take issue. Why? Because everything that I've done with my army, no matter what it's EVER meant, is obsolete. Moved onwards by the crush of the new Dex. And who is the beneficiary? The newbies. The bandwagoneers. The sniveling, "LOOK COOL!" crowd who move like a tide from army to army, swamping the market and ENCOURAGING the kind of behavior from GW that made my army useless. It's people like that who make the hobby as expensive as it is, because GW -KNOWS- that you people, with too much money to know what to do with, will buy into the next codex hook, line and sinker. Then they'll make the next codex more powerful, to milk people like you for every dime, every penny they can, all the while pushing aside cares for the game and for those that play it. Yeah. I take major :D:ing issue with the newbies. You know what, though? You are Blood Claws in the Space Wolves. You are members of our community. You are brothers, for however small a time you spend with us. You are one of us, even if you decide to just jump to the next army that comes out. As Ragnar and Strybjorn near their beginnings... I don't have to like ANY of you. In fact, I'll baldfaced say that I hate quite a few of you. That doesn't make you less of a Wolf. That doesn't make me a better Wolf than any of you. You are my Brethren above all else. Welcome to the Fang, whelps who may be reading this. Earn your keep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 No it doesn't make me any less of a Space Wolf ... and you know why? I never complain, I just fight with what I got at hand and enjoy every blood shed moment of it (whether or not the blood being shed is mine or my enemies!). Even though you don't like me ... and maybe even hate me! I like your mettle. You do the Wolves proud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Besides, hardship and adversity is what our sagas are made out of. I wouldn't have it any other way. Its how heroes are forged. So drink to the memory of the 13th and be proud and direct your anger on something more appropriate like Magnus and his spawn and not the newbies, bandwagoneers and sniveling, "LOOK COOL!" crowd. Its from where new recruits are drawn. Its how we grow and prosper. If more of these blokes had bought in to the 13th, it would still be around. So I for one, encourage all newbies, bandwagoneers and sniveling, "LOOK COOL!" crowd to join us and if they all hang around then Praise Russ, if only one hangs around Praise Russ all the same. We are still the better for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I broadly agree with Decoy, it has to be said. We will get some old veterans popping back, who moved onto different things during the 10 year wait - I will freely admit that I too have done this. Sometimes, we just need a break. But by Russ, we're back. Then we'll get the people who don't really know what we're about. I've worked in a indie store for 2 years, I can count on 1 hand the numbers of SW models I've sold there (mostly to me!) and I can count on two hands the numbers of times I've seen SW literature in the past two years. When I told a customer what was coming next month, he said: "Cool. Are they a new army?" Some people just don't know us, and they might join us. I would welcome them to the Fang as Blood Claws, and watch them work. But by the Emperors Gold Plated nipples, Decoy is quite right about the wagoneers. I'll acknowledge anyone who joins us for what we are, but those who seek to turn us into a powergame, cheese and tournie sandwich before moving onto the next "Creep..." There never has been, and never will be a place in the Fang for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Decoy has hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned, have an ale! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corver Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Yes, I do resent bandwagoners that dont embrace the fluf and just go for the rules. One tourney my 13th co played red space wolves. Now if someone wants to get all the SW models and paint them red and make thier own fluff thats cool, go for it. But these were nilla marine models and he just played wolves for the rules. of course i tore him a new one in the game. Hey i have a new SM chapter THE EMPEROR'S BANDWAGGON! You paint them black red green blue grey and then you can switch to whatever special rules you like. Actually at least if i played someone who did that i would have a laugh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Russ Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 <_< Besides, hardship and adversity is what our sagas are made out of. I wouldn't have it any other way. Its how heroes are forged. *puts down his stein of Fenrisian Black Wolf Ale, appraises the young whelp thru his long grey, beer frothed beard* "Son, get past Old Orlof, the crotchety Grey Hunter barkeep, and bring me back a fresh barrel of Ale with all your limbs still intact. If you can do that, your well on your way to your "hero forging"...... Just dont spill any when you get back to the table or you'll be serving Russ as my barstool for the rest of the week. I have returned from 5 long years as an envoy to the Imperial Fists. Their "beer" was SH :) T, so I will be expectin' that ale sharpish and in continuous supply..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfpriest Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I think the new codex says it the best when talking about blood claws. Blood Claw packs are always large enough to sustain some causalities and it separates the men from the boys. Those longer in the tooth will be sitting back watching the blood claws for to find those who show true talent and cunning. 4th edition we lost some effectiveness but my army was never found to be wanting. All the players at my LGS knew that when i pulled out the wolves that they might as well just forfeit. Because of this it was starting to get hard for me to find a game with my wolves. So i started blood angels and then codex marines, hell everyone thought my codex marines were my puppies because the paint scheme was so close. But i could never get the armies to run or feel like my wolves did. I played with the wolves here and there but i hated that every time i brought out our 3 ed codex i was called a power gamer. So for the last year or so i have only been using the wolves with close friends at my house or theirs and something else in tournaments and just pick up games at my LGS. The last couple months i have gotten tried of hearing, oh are those your wolves, are those your wolves, so i pulled my wolves back out to show them what the real wolves of fenris can do. Low and behold we are finally getting the codex that has been rumored to be coming out for the last 4 years? At first i thought it was just another rumor but here we are preview codices are in the LGS and we are a few short weeks from having new models and the new dex. I for one don't mind the blood claws but my greatest fear is being labeled as one, with all the influx of new recruits. Because just like all new recruits they won't make it past the first couple months and when they realize that we are not the this uber broken codex, they will move back to something that they can abuse more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 decoy =respect that sir is very true my wolves have been through the fire countless times before gee dub as you say have milked it many times in many ways for years the wolves are all thats kept me going dare i say sane i do actualy hate the fact that this very week i could get to see a preview copy despite several vists to my local gw store some for hours because the "new chaps" are looking at it and the staff well ill not go there and thats the next 6-8 months isnt it till the nids or blood angels come out well be baraged by crys of cheese or unbalance or unfair my answer to thease poeple is grow a pair and deal with it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178401-the-bandwagon/#findComment-2109873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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