Vash113 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Which 13th Company though? As I understand it every lost company is placed in this category - alongside Bulveye's original 13th company. Well actually Bulveye is a new creation, Bloodfang was the origional leader of the 13th During the Great Crusade and the beginning of the Horus Heresy, now it seems GW can't decide who is leading the 13th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Which 13th Company though? As I understand it every lost company is placed in this category - alongside Bulveye's original 13th company. Well actually Bulveye is a new creation, Bloodfang was the origional leader of the 13th During the Great Crusade and the beginning of the Horus Heresy, now it seems GW can't decide who is leading the 13th. So what else is new? ^_^ As far as I am concerned, it is Jorin Bloodfang who leads the 13th Company and we willl just have to see who is the leader in Prospero Burns. Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 Which 13th Company though? As I understand it every lost company is placed in this category - alongside Bulveye's original 13th company. Well actually Bulveye is a new creation, Bloodfang was the origional leader of the 13th During the Great Crusade and the beginning of the Horus Heresy, now it seems GW can't decide who is leading the 13th. That's exactly correct. I don't know who this Bulveye guy is who keeps popping up (other than being the very cool leader of the band of Norsemen from the book/movie the 13th Warrior, with Antonio Banderas). Maybe that is the confusion; people are confusing the 13th Warrior for the 13th Company? Jorin Bloodfang was the leader of the 13th Company who was dispatched by Russ to chase down the Thousand Sons fleeing from Prospero. There have since been many "Lost Companies" who are associated with the 13th slot (the blank one) on the Grand Anurus (sp?), but they aren't "the" 13th Company. Regards, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Bulveye is the leader of a 13th Company warband in Wolf's Honour and also appears as a Wolf Lord of the 13th Company in the Tales of the Heresy compliation. I'm waiting for Prospero Burns which will hopefully clear the confusion up. Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 isnt jorin a wolf priest and bulveye a lord ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 Bulveye is the leader of a 13th Company warband in Wolf's Honour and also appears as a Wolf Lord of the 13th Company in the Tales of the Heresy compliation. I'm waiting for Prospero Burns which will hopefully clear the confusion up. Cheers Thorgrim So it is probable that either 1) Jorin is Bulveye's boss in the 13th Company, or 2) Jorin is dead, and a new leader, perhaps Bulveye, has been selected to replace him. isnt jorin a wolf priest and bulveye a lord ? Nope, Jorin is definitely the Wolf Lord that was in charge of the 13th Company during the Heresy. Just check the back of your 3rd edition codex where all of the Wolf Lords are named (on that big stone slab). This is reaffirmed in the new codex, although Jorin has become Bloodhowl, instead of Bloodfang. Thanks, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Is their also a piece of fluff in wich we give Huron a good beating and taking back what is ours? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 So it is probable that either 1) Jorin is Bulveye's boss in the 13th Company, or 2) Jorin is dead, and a new leader, perhaps Bulveye, has been selected to replace him. I think that No. 1 is likely given that the organisation of Russ's companies during the Heresy is still unclear, unless the Long Fangs know any different? However, given the changes to the fluff in the codex and the up coming novel, No. 2 occuring would not surprise me. @Space Frisian: I don't know of any piece of fluff concerning us getting our strike cruiser back but I would love one to exist. That travesty in the C:CSM still causes many arguments in my GW and still grates to this day :lol: :D . Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 cool cheers i liked bulveye from what i read they came over as truely the way i see the wolves rather than the later ragnar tales Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 @Space Frisian: I don't know of any piece of fluff concerning us getting our strike cruiser back but I would love one to exist. That travesty in the C:CSM still causes many arguments in my GW and still grates to this day :) :cuss . Cheers Thorgrim So my small story could still be unique. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 @Space Frisian: I don't know of any piece of fluff concerning us getting our strike cruiser back but I would love one to exist. That travesty in the C:CSM still causes many arguments in my GW and still grates to this day ;) :cuss . What sort of arguments ensue I wonder being a fluff mad wolf as I am? Is it the fact that wolves turned their back on the Imperium or something else? I personally would have thought that the Wolf in command would have ordered the magazines to be detonated, destroying the ship, alas I have only skimmed the story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Linky to the story? I would love to have a read. EDIT: *I am a fluff lover myself and what causes the arguments is the bit towards the end of the story where the Wolves on the bridge, apart from the WG, renounce their oaths to Russ and the Emperor, then swear fealty to Huron. Since an oathbreaker is the lowest of the low from a Space Wolf point of view and I'm pretty sure that Wolves have never done this before in the fluff, it really irritates me when the Chaos players at the store suggest that it could happen. They are more debates than arguments and I have a feeling that whoever wrote the story in the first place had an axe to grind with the Sons of Russ ;) .* Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Which 13th Company though? As I understand it every lost company is placed in this category - alongside Bulveye's original 13th company. Well actually Bulveye is a new creation, Bloodfang was the origional leader of the 13th During the Great Crusade and the beginning of the Horus Heresy, now it seems GW can't decide who is leading the 13th. That's exactly correct. I don't know who this Bulveye guy is who keeps popping up (other than being the very cool leader of the band of Norsemen from the book/movie the 13th Warrior, with Antonio Banderas). Maybe that is the confusion; people are confusing the 13th Warrior for the 13th Company? Jorin Bloodfang was the leader of the 13th Company who was dispatched by Russ to chase down the Thousand Sons fleeing from Prospero. There have since been many "Lost Companies" who are associated with the 13th slot (the blank one) on the Grand Anurus (sp?), but they aren't "the" 13th Company. Regards, Valerian What it is simply is that people are confusing the Term "Wolf Lord" as its used in two different contexts. There are the 13 "Wolf Lords" one for each Great Company. This is what most people think about. Then theres 13nth company "Wolf Lords" wich are the leaders of Autonimous SW warbands running through the eye of terror. Why are they "Wolf Lords" you may ask? Because their warriors are sworn directly to their service and they follow only Leman Russ' orders. They dont know about Logain Grimnar as of C:EOT, and the dont care much either- theyve still got orders from his boss. Bulveye, in 40k mythos, is A 13nth company Wolf Lord. That doesnt mean hes the only one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Actually not so, Bulveye in the HH short story is said to be the Wolf Lord of the 13th Company at the time of the Great Crusade. So either Jorin Bloodfang is being retconned out, re-named or someone just messed up we now have 3 "Wolf Lord's" for the actual 13th Company. Jorin Bloodhowl Jorin Bloodfang Bulveye Axeman of Russ Sometimes I want to clobber the fluff makers for rampant stupidity and/or poor fact checking and researching skills. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Bulveye, in 40k mythos, is A 13nth company Wolf Lord. That doesnt mean hes the only one. Bulveye was the leader of Russ's bodyguard on pre-Imperial Fenris. These were called the Axemen of Russ but they referred to each other as wolfbrothers. Despite the risks, they elected as adults to go through the full process to become space marines during which most died. The survivors joined the 13th Great Company under Wolf Lord Bulveye, who lead them through the Great Crusade. The story stops at him being called to re-join the IV Legion but delaying his return to bring one more planet under control. Source = Tales of Heresy At the back of the 3rd edition codex there is an Inquisitional report which names Jorin Bloodfang as Wolf Lord of the 13th Company. Inquistional reports can be wrong or deliberately misleading, Bulveye might lose his position due to disobeying the call to rejoin the Legion as soon as possible or whatever. All will become clear in due course, I am sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Did anyone get a breakdown of the numbers for all twelve GC's or estimate the average size in the new book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You and me both, Vash. It would not surprise me in the slightest if what you described is true. So what else is new? :D Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Ragnar's is said to be 200 hundred and second largest behind the Great Wolf's company. One of the companies has a high percentage of Wolf Guard in its ranks and another one is said to favour things that make 'loud noises' such as vindicators but I can't remember the names of the Wolf Lords. I don't think there was an average number for a great company in the codex, and the information it gives on each great company is more to do with their composition and tactics rather than size. I think somebody further up the topic had a stab at an average size which I believe was between 175-150 warriors. I'm sorry that i can't remember more, Megaladon. Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Linky to the story? I would love to have a read. EDIT: *I am a fluff lover myself and what causes the arguments is the bit towards the end of the story where the Wolves on the bridge, apart from the WG, renounce their oaths to Russ and the Emperor, then swear fealty to Huron. Since an oathbreaker is the lowest of the low from a Space Wolf point of view and I'm pretty sure that Wolves have never done this before in the fluff, it really irritates me when the Chaos players at the store suggest that it could happen. They are more debates than arguments and I have a feeling that whoever wrote the story in the first place had an axe to grind with the Sons of Russ :mellow: .* Cheers Thorgrim There where models of Traitor wolves in the 3.5 codex. As far as I know, the Grey Knights are the only chapter that is totally, completely and utterly immune to Chaos, no exceptions. Was the story poorly executed and probably could have been done better? Yes. Was it impossible? No. Are the Space Wolves resistant to Chaos? Yes. Are they totally immune? No. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hjamlar Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I call part of this thread bull:cuss and recommend to upgrade reading skills of some of the younger pups around here... Book says: "The GC of Ragnar Blackmane is second only to Logan Grimnar's, boasting almost two hundred warriors and led by perhaps the most talented Wolf Lord of all" for me they do talk about their skills ;) Some tasty points for ya ;) Ragnar - Drop Pod assault specialist, Drop Pod assaults are known as Claws of Russ Harad Deathwolf - Wolves and hunting fun, his sense are suppose to be so sharp he can smell the fear of his prey from several leaguse distance. Bjorn Stormwolf - loud guy, frontal assaults - h. weapons, bikes and vindies Egil Iron Wolf - "Iron Hand" Spac Wolf - "made of more metal than flesh" - armoured assault, rides in his personalised LR Engir KrakenDoom - armoured transports, swiftclaws, ship-to-ship and boarding, leads the way in Sea of Stars ;) Bran Redmaw - many members are marked, some say that he does take a "different form when caught in the hunt" Erik Morkai - brutal guy, Scouts fanboy :P Gunnar Red Moon - Long Fangs fanboy, 'cause they are great at feasting and in battle ^_^ Krom Dragongaze - great number of Wolf Guard + loves to compete with other WL Kjarl Grimblood - said to be able to see the future in the flames, likes flames weapons, no less than 12 redeemers Sven Bloodhowl - close combat specialists mostly, said to breath fire at the enemies, as they do that on parties 13th Co. - should not be talked about nor mentioned aloud, though they are mentioned as met by some Cadians in 999.M41 ;) In fluff we are now more against the imperial rules, we simply do not give a :mellow: about their opinion, that leads to a few dangerous quarrels - fight SW vs FT, SW vs High Command orders, 3 weeks war vs 3 orders of SoB and Ecles, SW vs Puritan Ordo Malleus, just to buy time for radical Inq who helped 'em run away And we are interested in woman :lol: :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 And we are interested in woman :mellow: :lol: No you are not, only Lukas was mentioned, and that was before he became a marine. It's said that now he only devotes his time to his brothers in the next sentence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hjamlar Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 "It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the SW realise their hosts are not people at all" so am I reading it wrong? Was thinkin' it does imply sth :mellow: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 "It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the SW realise their hosts are not people at all" so am I reading it wrong? Was thinkin' it does imply sth :) Which part was that again? Pleae remind me which section, I have trouble finding it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hjamlar Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Page 20 Lost Company of Svengar the Red Codex: Space Wolves 5th Edition :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Page 20Lost Company of Svengar the Red Codex: Space Wolves 5th Edition :) So you have a single vauge refernce as I can see here, forgive me is I think that's a bit of a stretch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178410-interesting-new-fluff-from-codex/page/2/#findComment-2111755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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