Interesting new Fluff from Codex

[Lord Hjamlar]

I knew teh Eunuch marines will be jealous and will say it's nothing special :) :)

[Gree]

I knew teh Eunuch marines will be jealous and will say it's nothing special :) :)

 

Now would oyu mind telling me where that line is in the fluff? I can't see to find that ethier.

 

EDIT: Note, the Emperor's Children most likely get more in a week than the entire Wolves chapter combined.

 

Followers of Slaanesh after all.

 

And yes, I do also play Emperor's Children.

[Lord Hjamlar]

I knew teh Eunuch marines will be jealous and will say it's nothing special :) :P

 

Now would oyu mind telling me where that line is in the fluff? I can't see to find that ethier.

 

EDIT: Note, the Emperor's Children most likely get more in a week than the entire Wolves chapter combined.

 

Followers of Slaanesh after all.

 

That was supposed to be a joke :)

 

And on topic of slaanesh followers... I'm almost 100% sure you wouldn't like what they call pleasure ;) neither would I or anyone else sane.

[Gree]

That was supposed to be a joke :)

 

I know.

 

And on topic of slaanesh followers... I'm almost 100% sure you wouldn't like what they call pleasure :) neither would I or anyone else sane.

 

Exactly. :P

[Lord Hjamlar]

And on topic of slaanesh followers... I'm almost 100% sure you wouldn't like what they call pleasure :) neither would I or anyone else sane.

 

Exactly. :P

 

Praise the Emperor :)

[Gree]

And on topic of slaanesh followers... I'm almost 100% sure you wouldn't like what they call pleasure :) neither would I or anyone else sane.

 

Exactly. :P

 

Praise the Emperor :)

 

And Slaanesh! Or at least the PG-13 version in Codex Chaos. (Because GW can't show nuaghty bits on the new plastic models anymore.....)

 

Regardless, you know the part about Lukas? Where he get's exilled by some Wolf Lord on an ork planet? That's in 999.M41, but I don't see his name in the Great Table at all. Is he lost Company of something.

[Thorgrim Blackwolf]

I have not seen the codex in a week and only got to read it for 10mins, so I think my reading and memory skills are just fine considering I spent most of that time ogilling the changes to our army list :) .

 

@ Gree: All that you said is correct, but I said I was pretty sure as I don't have access to material like the 3.5 codex so I didn't know about the models. I know the Grey Knights are the only chapter to have not have anyone fall to chaos but the story is still highly improbable and I wish the writer had done a bit more background reading before writing that poor effort. I suppose the new salamaders novel shows that the screening process for neophrytes is not full proof for any chapter.

 

Cheers

 

Thorgrim

[Gree]

I have not seen the codex in a week and only got to read it for 10mins, so I think my reading and memory skills are just fine considering I spent most of that time ogilling the changes to our army list :) .

 

@ Gree: All that you said is correct, but I said I was pretty sure as I don't have access to material like the 3.5 codex so I didn't know about the models. I know the Grey Knights are the only chapter to have not have anyone fall to chaos but the story is still highly improbable and I wish the writer had done a bit more background reading before writing that poor effort. I suppose the new salamaders novel shows that the screening process for neophrytes is not full proof for any chapter.

 

Cheers

 

Thorgrim

 

Of course it should have been done better(But so should the rest of the chaos codex, but that's another issue) I agree with you there. But GW seems to be pushing for a warband of Chaos wolves, Skylar's Dark Wolves anyone?

[Thorgrim Blackwolf]

All GW gave us was a picture and a tiny bit of info on Skyrar's Dark Wolves, the Dragon Warriors (Mirror of the Salamanders) etc, which is unfortunate as it would have been interesting to see them flesh out the back story to Skyrar's Dark Wolves. They were either an attempt by GW at foreshadowing for the new SW codex or more likely one of the designers just created them to give hobbyists ideas for their DIY warbands. I refuse to give GW that much credit for the former :) .

 

It does pose an interesting question: are Skyrar's Dark Wolves mentioned in the new SW codex?

 

Cheers

 

Thorgrim

[Lord Hjamlar]

It does pose an interesting question: are Skyrar's Dark Wolves mentioned in the new SW codex?

 

Cheers

 

Thorgrim

 

Nope. Also when it comes to the accident with Tyrant of Badab, they do not mention any traitors, just the fact that this ship is Hurons greatest prize, so far...

[Vash113]

Regardless, you know the part about Lukas? Where he get's exilled by some Wolf Lord on an ork planet? That's in 999.M41, but I don't see his name in the Great Table at all. Is he lost Company of something.

 

What Lukas the Trickster? No he isn't a Wolf Lord at all, he's still a Blood Claw, he doesn't lead his own Great Company but flouts authority and hops from one to the next as the Wolf Lord's get tired of dealing with him and find an excuse to pawn him off on somebody else. At least that's what I gather from my 30 second speed read of his section last tuesday.

 

Speaking of Skyrar's Dark Wolves instead of assembling all the advance SW stuff as SW the local GW store manager is assembling some of them with Chaos bits and turning them into Skyrar's Dark Wolves. :cuss

[Gree]

Regardless, you know the part about Lukas? Where he get's exilled by some Wolf Lord on an ork planet? That's in 999.M41, but I don't see his name in the Great Table at all. Is he lost Company of something.

 

What Lukas the Trickster? No he isn't a Wolf Lord at all, he's still a Blood Claw, he doesn't lead his own Great Company but flouts authority and hops from one to the next as the Wolf Lord's get tired of dealing with him and find an excuse to pawn him off on somebody else. At least that's what I gather from my 30 second speed read of his section last tuesday.

 

Speaking of Skyrar's Dark Wolves instead of assembling all the advance SW stuff as SW the local GW store manager is assembling some of them with Chaos bits and turning them into Skyrar's Dark Wolves. :cuss

 

 

I never said Lukas was a Wolf Lord, I was talking about when he was exilled by one.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Getting way off topic and a little contesty with the Emp children and woman loving. Please continue discussing the fluff in the book and let others form their own opinions.

[Grey Mage]

Bulveye, in 40k mythos, is A 13nth company Wolf Lord. That doesnt mean hes the only one.

 

Bulveye was the leader of Russ's bodyguard on pre-Imperial Fenris. These were called the Axemen of Russ but they referred to each other as wolfbrothers. Despite the risks, they elected as adults to go through the full process to become space marines during which most died. The survivors joined the 13th Great Company under Wolf Lord Bulveye, who lead them through the Great Crusade. The story stops at him being called to re-join the IV Legion but delaying his return to bring one more planet under control.

Source = Tales of Heresy

 

At the back of the 3rd edition codex there is an Inquisitional report which names Jorin Bloodfang as Wolf Lord of the 13th Company.

 

Inquistional reports can be wrong or deliberately misleading, Bulveye might lose his position due to disobeying the call to rejoin the Legion as soon as possible or whatever. All will become clear in due course, I am sure.

Hes also the WL in the Ragnar Cycle thats found on a chaos mirror planet being used for a great ritual.

 

Where it mentions, and coroborates with C:EOT that there are many 13nth co. warbands, and the leader of each is a "Wolf Lord".

[Vash113]

If I recall correctly the SW novel only mentioned Bulveye saying that it would be nice to get the whole Company together, he sort of references other Warbands but doesn't refere to any other Wolf Lords. Additionally the short story in Tales of Heresy seems to indicate strongly that Bulveye is the Wolf Lord of the whole "13th" Company and not just part of it.

 

So it would seem that the recent novels and fictional works are retconning the existence of Jorin Bloodfang and replacing him with this Bulveye character. However the 5th Edition Codex Space Wolves still mentions Jorin but either changed or miss-spelled his last name.

 

Either way the whole situation is either going to be clarified in the literature to make sense.

 

Or more likely it's just GW being predictably bad at keeping their own fluff straight. B) Although given the monumental task of doing so I can't blame them too much, they could lessen the burden greatly by relying on the community more for help.

[Hrathnar Flintfang]

You know, considering there is an entire Wiki full of 40K fluff, I don't think that Codex writers or anyone else have an excuse to screw things up. When I run an inquisitor game I am on that site for at least two days before hand (in my free time of course) looking over the facts I need, It should be that much more important for people who make their living writing this stuff.

 

At this point I would even go so far as to say that fluff retconning and inconsistencies are almost put in on purpose, as the hallmark of a GW product.

 

"Games Workshop, You know its quality because we can't be bothered to read our own source material"

[Night Runner]

This might be a bit off topic since it doesn't involve the size of the Great Companies, but it is still fluff.

 

Does anyone know if Wolfguard Ranulf (one of the strongest wolves of the chapter's history), Wolfguard Durfast of Mordrak (and the Helm of Durfast) and Wolflord Kyrl Grimblood have any mention in the new codex, not rules wise, but fluff wise?

[Tanon]

One thing I find funny/interesting: Lukas is banished by a Wolf Lord Dvorjac in 999.M41.

 

 

But, said Wolf Lord is mentioned nowhere else, even though he apparently has an entire Great Company at his disposable. Interesting, no?

[Vash113]

One thing I find funny/interesting: Lukas is banished by a Wolf Lord Dvorjac in 999.M41.

 

 

But, said Wolf Lord is mentioned nowhere else, even though he apparently has an entire Great Company at his disposable. Interesting, no?

 

Not really, the Great Companies change names, symbols and so forth whenever a Wolf Lord dies and a new one replaces him, I guess Dvorjac just kicked the bucket and was replaced within the year.

 

Alternately someone making the quotes and filler bits of fluff just used the first name and date they came up with. Given the quality and accuracy of fluff and other small pieces of fluff in the latest codexies I'm betting on the later of the two possibilities. Overall ya gotta remember that these things aren't exactly scrupulously edited, GW is notoriously bad with fluff accuracy and the state of "stupid" seems to be a contageous condition. Not every mistake, inaccuracy or bit of randomness has any significant meaning what so ever.