Forseti Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Theres been a lot of talk over the last few weeks about the new SW dex being overpowered and cheesy.. After looking over stats and point costs, I think we may just have a new winner for cheesiest 1500pt army. Though hopefully these types of lists won't be used by proper SW players, as they pretty much go 100% against fluff. Grimnar -275 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer (take your pick, they're same cost) Rhino/Drop Pod 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod 5x Wolfguard in PA - 150 5x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod This is pretty much a 1 trick pony..but still, thats 45 melta/plasma (90 double tapped) shots in a 1500 list..And are they completely weak once they're out there? Counter-Attack on ld9 with 2 base attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Ouch! The other option is the Thunderwolf unit with 2 or 3 characters in. Smattering of stormshields, a wulfen, plasma pistol to help with wound allocation rules. Then some other stuff to back it up. Expensive unit but its pretty much immune to most instant death, fast, durable and hits like a sledgehammer. Ragnar/raider rush may be popular as well but probably at more the 1750 points level. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm not sure if that's a suitable build or not for a power gamer but who knows? All I know is some people will abuse us but I'll get on with it, the only time I'll get upset is if someone refuses to play me because someone had a cheesy list of doom, then I'll be annoyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I don't believe in PG. You have a rule book, and you follow the rules. If you want other rules, then this needs to be clear before you face your opp. or attend the tourney. If the tourney does not disallow certain things in text prior to going, then you must assume you will face the most powerful lists available. Never, assume someone thinks as you do before you start the play, or attend an event. Unless you are a rune priest, or some alpha level pysker. Now if you agree to something prior to attending, or with an opponent, and they go against that agreement, then you should let them know how you feel and I'd suggest never playing/participating again. I really don't think that list is all that powerful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Very well summed up there me thinks rags. I personally welcome any and all opportunities for a game no matter against whom or what and find that the more powerful lists i face highlight shortfalls in my own force. We're wolves people we should relish a good scrap. If you knew you were gonna win every game it would be boring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Very well summed up there me thinks rags. I personally welcome any and all opportunities for a game no matter against whom or what and find that the more powerful lists i face highlight shortfalls in my own force. We're wolves people we should relish a good scrap. If you knew you were gonna win every game it would be boring. Yes but the problem is people take their gaming a little too seriously and if they play a list that has been tweaked to breaking point they might simply refuse to play against the wolves because they fear all lists are cheese as opposed to some standard lists. There was one opponent I created custom lists against to try and destroy the foul Tyranids but I didn't enjoy it so just took a standard list that I thought fit the fluff, looked good and would have a respectable performance. But that list does seem a little too fragile, if you take rhinos they'll be popped by missile launchers/autocannons and the like and with drop pods you lose the mobility after you've struck, I feel it's too easily destroyed, but who knows? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 I never said I'd ever refuse a game vs a list like that, as it always feels good to put someone who thinks their list is unbeatable in their place. And I know Power Gaming lists are far from unbeatable, but they're just the type of list that a braindead chimp could do some serious damage with. *shrug* I guess I'm the only one that thinks this type of list could make a lot of people concede 2nd turn (if pods are lucky). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Very well summed up there me thinks rags. I personally welcome any and all opportunities for a game no matter against whom or what and find that the more powerful lists i face highlight shortfalls in my own force. We're wolves people we should relish a good scrap. If you knew you were gonna win every game it would be boring. Yes but the problem is people take their gaming a little too seriously and if they play a list that has been tweaked to breaking point they might simply refuse to play against the wolves because they fear all lists are cheese as opposed to some standard lists. There was one opponent I created custom lists against to try and destroy the foul Tyranids but I didn't enjoy it so just took a standard list that I thought fit the fluff, looked good and would have a respectable performance. But that list does seem a little too fragile, if you take rhinos they'll be popped by missile launchers/autocannons and the like and with drop pods you lose the mobility after you've struck, I feel it's too easily destroyed, but who knows? I do understand your point Mikal, but if somebody refuses tp play you then simply play someone else. Hopefully your reputation as a sterling, fair minded, and entertaining opponent will be the deciding factor and not simply the army or list you choose to take. I'm not sure i'd want to play an opponent who took there gaming THAT seriously, it is after all win or lose supposed to be fun for all involved and in some of the best games i've played i took a right thrashing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I never said I'd ever refuse a game vs a list like that, as it always feels good to put someone who thinks their list is unbeatable in their place. And I know Power Gaming lists are far from unbeatable, but they're just the type of list that a braindead chimp could do some serious damage with. *shrug* I guess I'm the only one that thinks this type of list could make a lot of people concede 2nd turn (if pods are lucky). Haha or laugh maniacally as 30 wolf guard go up in smoke due to a horrendous "gets hot" roll :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forgetful Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Seriously I loved this list. :D Made me laugh long and hard and would love to try play with/against sometime. :) 10 x flamers sounds the most fun, hi there 'nid army bwahahahahaha - Forgetful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Seriously I loved this list. :D Made me laugh long and hard and would love to try play with/against sometime. :) 10 x flamers sounds the most fun, hi there 'nid army bwahahahahaha - Forgetful Against nids it would be amusing to watch, until the fexes get you, then again with that many bolters it's got to die sometime,or just put a few meltas/plasma's in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 *pops in from the Warp, a heaping slab of cheese over one shoulder, smoldering violently. Pulling back his teeth in a feral snarl, he starts up his chainsword... before pointing at the list above with a grin.* I lol'ed. *pops back to the Warp.* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrim Blackwolf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I think this is a list that you might try once with opponents consent. The problem with it is that is very fragile using rhino's and relies to much on luck when using pods. If the pods come in piece meal then its good night vienna. Its other problem is that if something goes wrong (I'm thinking about combi plasma's here) or if the combi weapons fail to do their job, then there is no Plan B. If this is the best the power gamers/tournament players can come up with so far, then I'm going to have a good laugh when my local power gamer tries this and enjoy taking my normal, balanced list against it. Cheers Thorgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanger Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Try to play this against an Eldar warlock biker list, the only time you would win is then the eldar player rolls on the flloor laughing so hard he can't throw his dice ^_^ As you said. 1 trick pony. Also you have no place where you could stick Grimnarr stick to so he is singled out. Also after th opponent has withered your melta/plasma storm he mops up with you. In kill point those Drop Pods and Rhinoes are free KPs and he has to shoot a couple of them and then hide. Man even a necron army would beat this list. Don't equal cheesy with stupid. And where is Njal? Cmon, how could you leave him out of the list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 3 attacks is fine- but no special weapons and you're in trouble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Very well summed up there me thinks rags. I personally welcome any and all opportunities for a game no matter against whom or what and find that the more powerful lists i face highlight shortfalls in my own force. We're wolves people we should relish a good scrap. If you knew you were gonna win every game it would be boring. Yes but the problem is people take their gaming a little too seriously and if they play a list that has been tweaked to breaking point they might simply refuse to play against the wolves because they fear all lists are cheese as opposed to some standard lists. There was one opponent I created custom lists against to try and destroy the foul Tyranids but I didn't enjoy it so just took a standard list that I thought fit the fluff, looked good and would have a respectable performance. But that list does seem a little too fragile, if you take rhinos they'll be popped by missile launchers/autocannons and the like and with drop pods you lose the mobility after you've struck, I feel it's too easily destroyed, but who knows? I do not bow down to prejudice :lol: They have no idea how any SW player is going to play. Especially with our new dex and the many options. It's their loss if they are that sour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 In all honesty that list doesn't sound that hard to stop, really no different then any SM drop pod list. I'd look for power gamers to go heavy on Wolf Scouts now that multiple units can use OBEL. For HQ's I think the flavor of the month is going to be Njal because of the Jaws power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Theres been a lot of talk over the last few weeks about the new SW dex being overpowered and cheesy.. After looking over stats and point costs, I think we may just have a new winner for cheesiest 1500pt army. Though hopefully these types of lists won't be used by proper SW players, as they pretty much go 100% against fluff. Grimnar -275 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer (take your pick, they're same cost) Rhino/Drop Pod 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod 10x Wolfguard in PA - 265 10x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod 5x Wolfguard in PA - 150 5x combi-melta/plasma/flamer Rhino/Drop Pod This is pretty much a 1 trick pony..but still, thats 45 melta/plasma (90 double tapped) shots in a 1500 list..And are they completely weak once they're out there? Counter-Attack on ld9 with 2 base attacks. The sad part is... I usually only have about 45 bodies in 1500pts right now. Though thats usually not including dreads, preds, whirlwinds and bikers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmwulf Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What i fear is that we will a lot of psyker orientated armies. I don't mind having a rune priest or two in the list, but i think 4 will not be rare. This kind of does not go too well with the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 What i fear is that we will a lot of psyker orientated armies. I don't mind having a rune priest or two in the list, but i think 4 will not be rare. This kind of does not go too well with the fluff. But if they're not allowed to duplicate on powers then the gamers will have to carefully choose deployment to gain the most from each unique psyker. I had thought of running a 4 psyker list for fun but it's not really a valid build in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligncomedy Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm expecting a mock up nob bikerz list. 3 packs of Thunderwolf Calvary, and Bikers. Lord on bike as well. Abuse of wound allocation if possible. It ain't gonna be pretty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hjamlar Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 2000 pts of 1 or 2 HQ on TW/Bike mounted Psykers 3 Iron Priests on Thunder Wolves, each with 4 Cyber Wolves 3 x 10 fully kitted GH in Pods/Rhinos 2 x 15 Wolves 1 x TW Cav That can be scary... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2111780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie2533 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 what about the Ragnar and wolfpriest with a squad of 7 wolfguard in TDA with wolf claws in a land raider crusader. with as many people with the saga of the warrior as possible. Wolf priest takes preferred enemy against troops. thats alot of re rolls to hit and wound and just a heck of a lot of hits as it is with ragnars charge and furious charge. just stick in whatever other troops you need to mop up and bring fire support Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2112296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Q: Can you take more than one squad of Thunderwolves? In that case, as maligncomedy said, they will be the cheese of SW I think. The wolf cav army is going to be brutal, but suck at getting objectives :D Lord Hjamlars list looks nice tough. I was thinking of getting a few units of Iron Priest+cyberwolves myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2112536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I found one thing in the codex, and I hope it is a rule more than a suggestion, merely because it will keep powergamers wway. On the page where it goes over the army special rules, there is a paragraph at the bottom that says, in essence, that space wolf commanders are proud of their individual wargear and wouldn't copy another leaders style or wargear, because they have their own sagas to fulfill. If that's a rule, and not a suggestion, it seems to mean to me that you cannot take any hq choice with the exact same wargear and options as another. While this is simple to get around, being as how everything is wysiwyg, I would think that powergamers might get tired of having to explain their stuff away. But maybe I'm underestimating powergamers hunger to win as well,so.... Anyhow I think, after watching a bunch of powergamers math hammer the codex to smithereens last night, that they might avoid us, because our stuff isn't as cheesy as the rumors suggested. As for a potential army list they might use I could easily see Canis or another lord on a wolf being used with thunderwolf cavalry alot like a nob biker list with a lot of wolf packs for troops. But the problem there is that they can't control objectives, because wolves are considered supernumenary and won't stay and occupy the objective, they'll just hang out and lick themselves and scratch until someone comes along for them to rip up, or they get shot to death, so that forces someone to use them like a chainaxe or something, just trying to hurt the enemy enough so he can't fight back anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178511-what-to-expect-from-power-gamers/#findComment-2112537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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