lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I recently was playing in a tournament , 1750, and my first opponent took the following : 6 chimeras with 5 storm troopers with 2 melta guns per squad. 3 exorcists ( the d6 strength 8 "whirlwind" ) 2 ( heavy flamer tanks for sobs cant remember name, fast attack choice ) with 5 sisters in side with 2 meltas and 2 flamers. How do you beat that list??? I seriously cant think of anything besides large devastator squads with lascannons, or maybe vindicators? I dont care who you are, how do you take out 12 tanks? or at least enough that you have a chance? On top of that 3 exorcists!! I am seriously drawing a blank, maybe you can help or post up and other people could post up what they have found to work against that list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Target the Exorcists and the Immolator tanks, leave the Chimeras and the squishy Storm Troopers for later. When the Sisters are dismounted, hit them in CC and wipe them flat, then move in amongst the Chimeras with Blood Claws on foot while still hammering them from a distance with Long Fangs and/or Dreadnaughts and Grey Hunters with Melta Guns. At least that's what I'd do. But Sisters can be nasty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 I was thinking of doing the same, except he never got out of his transports...he just popped the tops and shot away at me, so transports got popped, then whatever squad was in the open was hit with 18 melta gun shots...on top of 18 multi laser shots and 18 heavy bolter shots, and random amount of strength 8 shots from the exorcists. All my long range/heavy was taken out turn one...even with a cover save! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I recently was playing in a tournament , 1750, and my first opponent took the following : 6 chimeras with 5 storm troopers with 2 melta guns per squad. 3 exorcists ( the d6 strength 8 "whirlwind" ) 2 ( heavy flamer tanks for sobs cant remember name, fast attack choice ) with 5 sisters in side with 2 meltas and 2 flamers. How do you beat that list??? I seriously cant think of anything besides large devastator squads with lascannons, or maybe vindicators? I dont care who you are, how do you take out 12 tanks? or at least enough that you have a chance? On top of that 3 exorcists!! I am seriously drawing a blank, maybe you can help or post up and other people could post up what they have found to work against that list. Lunch - You need to take out the Exs asap. This list also needs mobile shooty to counter, attack bikes are your friend!! Also - why do you describe the exorcist as a "whirlwind"? Hope your buddy isnt playing it as a blast marker/barrage. Its very definitely not. Its more like a pred. His army uses long range shooting via the exs. What you need to do is get something to get in his face - pods may work nicely with mobile shooty support.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 I just say the whirlwind wannabe because it kinda looks like one. I dropped in a squad of termies literally behind his forces, and about 2 inches from the table edge...they landed took out one tank, and then his army promptly turned and opened fire on them...fastest loss of 300pnts of termies ever. 1 turn. Termies alone got hit with 8 melta guns, as well as 4 heavy flamers, 2 multi lasers, 2 heavy bolters, and 6 shots from the exorcist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I was thinking of doing the same, except he never got out of his transports...he just popped the tops and shot away at me, so transports got popped, then whatever squad was in the open was hit with 18 melta gun shots...on top of 18 multi laser shots and 18 heavy bolter shots, and random amount of strength 8 shots from the exorcists. All my long range/heavy was taken out turn one...even with a cover save! Also remember you cant shoot out of a firepoint if your vehicle moves over 6" ! Many players forget that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 speeders with multi meltas deal with the exorcists blood claw hoard storms the chimeras and the sisters of meh are you useing missions go for objectives also is he using guard or inq storm troopers theres a big diferance in capability there also be strict with line of sight once your up close he shouldnt be able to over lap too many fields of fire hope it helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 he used storm troopers. He never moved over 6". I tried blood claw hoard, but like I said, you get hit that many times with meltas, heavy bolters, and multi-lasers your losing troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'm wondering how you can be hit with all that stuff at once, 6 Chimeras, 3 Exorcists and 2 Immolators with a general range of 12" or less for the flamers and melta guns, those tanks take up a lot of space and if they're only moving 6" or less a turn they must have been pretty close together to hammer everything. I'd suggest a mix of OBEL Wolf Scouts with 2 Plasma Pistols and a Melta Gun, Multi-Melta Attack Bikes, Long Fangs and Dreadnaughts armed with Twin-Linked Lascannons and Missile launchers. Keep the guy at range, and force him to hide or respond to your anti-tank. Clearly charging in amongst him is risky, but with 30+ Blood Claws and another 20-40 Grey Hunters that should be more Power Armor than he can deal with realistically. Either way leave him with few options, a scattershot approach is not likely to work very well against such a highly specialised army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 Good idea VASH, I didnt really think about that too much. Set up was spearhead...and I am the worst at playing spearhead properly. I guess Ill wait till the next dex comes out and run lots of long fangs again :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Good idea VASH, I didnt really think about that too much. Set up was spearhead...and I am the worst at playing spearhead properly. I guess Ill wait till the next dex comes out and run lots of long fangs again :rolleyes: And a rune priest with chain lightning, that's a lot of potential S7 attacks, better against basilisks for sure but still fun I reckon. ooh! I'm now thinking of a list with four RP's, nasty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 You cant take the same psychic powers for the priests I thought...ie cant duplicate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Oh and wait he was firing Melta Guns from the Chimeras? I don't think you can do that, you can shoot from Chimeras but only with the Hull-Mounted lasguns, I don't think you can fire special weapons from inside the Chimera. You can only do that with Rhinos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeddon Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You cant take the same psychic powers for the priests I thought...ie cant duplicate. Could take Njal with another Rune Priest, it'd allow for some duplication wouldn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 right this second: Land Raiders of the standard variety will give you long range anti tank fire to deal with the Exorcists. Meanwhile, seeking to get you in melta range, the rest of his army will advance... right into the jaws of your assault troopers who should be embarked on said Land Raiders and possibly a Land Raider Crusader (from your 3rd support slot). You'll have the edge on the long range shooting fight with your av14 and str9 compared to his av 13 and str8. Use turn one to hammer his Exorcists, then hit his transports with any squad based weapons you're carrying along with any spare lascannon shots you may have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Lunch come now, you know that he made a mistake and brought 2k points to a 1750 match, of course your going to get you arse kicked. lol, the look on your face when you found that out was priceless. WG Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Oh and wait he was firing Melta Guns from the Chimeras? I don't think you can do that, you can shoot from Chimeras but only with the Hull-Mounted lasguns, I don't think you can fire special weapons from inside the Chimera. You can only do that with Rhinos. Nowadays you can fire 5 (yes, five) weapons from the top hatch of a chimera. In the IG codex is says that it is assumed that most of the shots are from the fixed lasguns, but to make it more simple with range, angles and stuff, they made it this way. That means you can have an IG veteran squad fire their lascannon and 3 plasma guns from that top hatch. Nasty, I say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 Very true Vrox, but in a normal list equal points how would you beat it? Landraider spam? By the way, Vrox one best painted army at the tourny!! GO POUND PUPPIES OF THE GREY PERSUASION!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonPup Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Oh and wait he was firing Melta Guns from the Chimeras? I don't think you can do that, you can shoot from Chimeras but only with the Hull-Mounted lasguns, I don't think you can fire special weapons from inside the Chimera. You can only do that with Rhinos. Nowadays you can fire 5 (yes, five) weapons from the top hatch of a chimera. In the IG codex is says that it is assumed that most of the shots are from the fixed lasguns, but to make it more simple with range, angles and stuff, they made it this way. That means you can have an IG veteran squad fire their lascannon and 3 plasma guns from that top hatch. Nasty, I say. Except he's using a Witch Hunters list so he needs to use that codex for point costs, and rules. And his Storm Troopers don't have AP3 guns, either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Nowadays you can fire 5 (yes, five) weapons from the top hatch of a chimera. In the IG codex is says that it is assumed that most of the shots are from the fixed lasguns, but to make it more simple with range, angles and stuff, they made it this way. That means you can have an IG veteran squad fire their lascannon and 3 plasma guns from that top hatch. Nasty, I say. This isn't IG though, it's Witch Hunters Storm Troopers, their Chimeras don't get the snazzy new IG rules unless there's a new FAQ about it. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 so he can fire 2 weapons out of the top of the chimeras or no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Then I dont know. I thought the DH and WH had been FAQed in line with the new IG stuff. But I cant say that for certain. Cant find my old IG dex or my DH/WH-dexes right now. I'll have to look around. But I would assume that you can fire 2 wpns in addition to the 6 lasguns. I think I did that when I played IG, at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonPup Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 so he can fire 2 weapons out of the top of the chimeras or no? I forget the number of fire points a Witch Hunter's Chimera has since my codex is at home. At most two, but maybe just one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonPup Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Then I dont know. I thought the DH and WH had been FAQed in line with the new IG stuff. It hasn't. WH/DH only use stuff in their codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 ya he can still pop the top and fire 2 weapons but when he dose this he counts as open toped as he isnt in power armor so plus 1 to pen rolls. i would say run mass at him with rhinos and land raider once your there be sure to get out behind your blown up rhinos then jump on him next turn. maybe some wolf scouts to pop up and kill a exorcist or 2. just my 2 cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178520-how-do-you-beat-this-list/#findComment-2111580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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