Thunderwolf Counts-As

[Jakz]

So I really like the stats of the Thunderwolves in the new codex but I really despise the idea of futuristic Space Marines, no mater how Norse or Feral, riding around on giant wolves. So what do people think of counts-as models? Would models on bikes be acceptable as a fill-in for the wolves? I just really can't see myself placing monsters on the board outside of Chaos maybe.

 

If this is somewhere else sorry but I didn't see it.

[AdeptusDavidus]

Depends on precisely what the stats are, imo.

 

For instance, I've been toying with some "counts-as" bikes (because I hate the look of the bikes) with a bulked up backpack and some bits of reinforced armour over the marine, like some kind of external fast-attack harness. I've even got the metal hurricane bolters which I'm thinking of pinning on top and aiming according to the figure's head position, to show the TL bolters.

 

The same thing might not work for Thunderwolf cav, but something along those lines might work. Alternately, some kind of bike altered to fit with the stats (for instance, I don't think wolves have bolters mounted on their ears, so maybe you'd need to ditch the front bolters).

[Brother Gathurn]

IF you absolutly must use thunderwolves i would definetly use bikes, space marines would never be able to realisticly ride wolves, even the large fenrisian variety.

 

Sorry about the fact that i butchered the spelling

[Jakz]

My plan right now for doing my Thunderwolves is to use the bikes with the bolters removed and "wolf" them up a bit. I was thinking of adding some spikey bits to help with the counts-as for the rending part.

[Hellios]

IF you absolutly must use thunderwolves i would definetly use bikes, space marines would never be able to realisticly ride wolves, even the large fenrisian variety.

 

Sorry about the fact that i butchered the spelling

 

I dunno a wolf the size of a rhino would be pretty strong... and if it is the influence of chaos that lead to the wolves becoming so big in the first place they could well be even stronger... than one might expect...

 

I personally don't like the idea of bikes being used as thunderwolves because space wolves on bikes would seem very much like another unit from the codex(i'm guessing SW's have a biker unit still) and also you then have the wolves attacks and what not in the stats (I would guess).

 

Maybe you could make mechanical wolf shaped mounts of some sort I dunno.

[Natanael]

Depends on precisely what the stats are, imo.

 

For instance, I've been toying with some "counts-as" bikes (because I hate the look of the bikes) with a bulked up backpack and some bits of reinforced armour over the marine, like some kind of external fast-attack harness. I've even got the metal hurricane bolters which I'm thinking of pinning on top and aiming according to the figure's head position, to show the TL bolters.

 

The same thing might not work for Thunderwolf cav, but something along those lines might work. Alternately, some kind of bike altered to fit with the stats (for instance, I don't think wolves have bolters mounted on their ears, so maybe you'd need to ditch the front bolters).

 

That was interesting. Maybe some kind of battle suit (like tau) or acceleration suit (like G.I Joe, movie)? That might work, like som kind of a mini-dread.

[Nadir]

Spiky bits may be a good option. Because just give a marine bike is not enough for me to replace Thunderwolf.

 

Besides, I can imagine rading a wolf, but there's a topic about somewhere :D

[Gentlemanloser]

I'm thinking of a mechanical Horse. :lol:

 

Browsng the PCA forum led me to the Empire Engineer on Mechanical Horse mini, only problem is the legs are moulded onto the horse itself. :D

[AdeptusDavidus]

That was interesting. Maybe some kind of battle suit (like tau) or acceleration suit (like G.I Joe, movie)? That might work, like som kind of a mini-dread.

 

I'm hacking the nozzles and intakes off of a jump pack to get the bulkier base for the powerpack, scratching together an ammo feed for the top-mounted twin bolters, and extending little plastic trusses from the powerpack down the legs of the marine, and scratching together some similar trusses along the arms. Also adding a second armour panel over the knees, feet, shoulders, and elbows to sort of "tie in" to the power armour.

 

On top of that, my marines are scaled up a little bit, and I'll be mounting them on bike bases.

[Vash113]

Personally if (and that's a BIG if) I were to use the units I'd most probably just convert them to be Thunderwolves (note the lack of "cavalry" there). Or in other words I'd make them big Wolves with cybernetic upgrades and guns strapped to their backs and lightning claws to their paws. Much cooler than a Marine riding the darn things in my opinion. :)

[Valerian]

So I really like the stats of the Thunderwolves in the new codex but I really despise the idea of futuristic Space Marines, no mater how Norse or Feral, riding around on giant wolves. So what do people think of counts-as models? Would models on bikes be acceptable as a fill-in for the wolves? I just really can't see myself placing monsters on the board outside of Chaos maybe.

 

If this is somewhere else sorry but I didn't see it.

 

Bikes would be fine as TWC, so long as you don't have any other actual Bikers in the army list. Just explain what you are doing to your opponent before you begin. I wouldn't worry to much about the bolters on the bikes, but would definitely ensure that the weapons on the men are exactly what they are supposed to be (I.e. Do wysiwyg for the Marines on the bikes).

 

Valerian

[Scy]

I'll be mounting my Wulfen on Terminator bases and using the thunderwolf stats.

[Vash113]

I'll be mounting my Wulfen on Terminator bases and using the thunderwolf stats.

 

Oh now that's a cool idea...

[Arturas]

How about attack bikes with close combatants riding in the side car hacking at people with over sized axes or something. It still sounds a little weird but miles away from the the stupidity of wolf cavalry

 

Or combine two bikes to make SMFW's (Space Marines on Four Wheelers)

[Valerian]

I'll be mounting my Wulfen on Terminator bases and using the thunderwolf stats.

 

I never bothered to get any Wulfen models, but this is a great idea; well done!

[Vash113]

How about attack bikes with close combatants riding in the side car hacking at people with over sized axes or something. It still sounds a little weird but miles away from the the stupidity of wolf cavalry

 

Or combine two bikes to make SMFW's (Space Marines on Four Wheelers)

 

I like the Sidecar idea, it still gives you the faster than average mode of transportation and the close combat prowess while still distinctly different from your normal Bikes that it shouldn't be too hard to see the difference.

[fjugin]

In my opinion, anything that might be mistaken for something else is out. My opponent should be able to know what he is facing simply by looking at my miniatures.

That means all types of bikes or attack bikes are out.

Wulfen on large bases could work of you made them a little bigger. T5, S5, W2, A4 doesn't seem right on a marine-size model. Also, it would get confusing if you used other wulfen models as mark of the wulfen in grey hunter packs.

 

Im thinking of using converted juggernauts, as some kind of mechanical cyber-wolf mount.

Another idea I had was a putting the model on foot with a leashed giant wolf on the same base.

[Decoy]

My TWC will be modeled as Dreadnaught-sized Wulfen wearing whatever appropriate gear may be handy, or otherwise scrounged together. Wolf Claws; Giant gauntlets with power-weapons for the Claws. Thunderhammer? Giant stick with a power-converter, or maybe just a giant stone maul. Storm Shield? Massive body armor that glistens (via opalescent paint) in the light.

 

Nothing says "OH BLOODY GODS OF CHAOS! RUN AWAY! RUN AW<gurgle>" like a 12-foot monstrous Wulfen, a true devolution from the curse of the Canis Helix, amplified by ten thousand years in the Warp...

[Kenmichi]

Wolf/Dognaughts perhaps? Though not exactly cheap to build.

 

There are also Juggernaughts. They're easy enough to convert to be Wolf-like.

[Decoy]

Yeah, a sort of Wolfnaught, but no mechanical parts, just solid, 99% Fenris, 1% Warp Wulfman. Essentially, the curse of the Canis Helix run rampant.

[Levitas]

I wouldnt be amused to play someone using bikes as thunderwolves. Almost as funny as a guy at my store who tried to use cheetos as harlequins. True story. I think its good to be creative, but bikes is a kinda cheap counts as.

 

I'd personally go for heavily converted juggers. But I think forge world will get involved with these, so its only time. They did nob bikers, and Thunder wolves seems right up their expensive street.

[Grey Mage]

Any check out these guys?

 

http://www.gamezoneminiatures.de/advanced_...p?keywords=wolf

[Vash113]

Any check out these guys?

 

http://www.gamezoneminiatures.de/advanced_...p?keywords=wolf

 

Interresting but they look a bit too small to use as mounts for fully armored marines...

 

Some pretty good looking Wolves though.

[Grey Mage]

Theyre about 50% larger than the current goblin wolves- thats a "true scale" ork for reference they stand about 3/16 inch taller than a standard WFB ork.

[Night Runner]

Any check out these guys?

 

http://www.gamezoneminiatures.de/advanced_...p?keywords=wolf

 

Those are some of the most dynamically posed wolves I've ever seen. They put the GW plastic wolf to shame. I might get two for my Wolf Lord. Thanks for the link.