cherrboh Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 okay, so the chaos marines come with ten marines, and are 11.95 pounds, 12 khorne bezerkers are 17.85 pounds, but ten SM are 19.50 pounds? wouldnt the obvious choise be going for khorne, two more sets of legs, chain axes, some chaosy packpacks. wouldnt it just add way more flavour than the other two? what are the benefits of bothering with the other two? maybe special weapons ie plasma guns? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Well you could use Khorn Berserkers or Chaos Marines but it would take a significant ammount of conversion to remove all the chaos symbols, spikes and other chaos randomness and make them look more loyalist. It can be done but it's a lot of work. Also I don't know where you are that there's such a price discrepancy, where I am all 3 sets cost $35. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Khorne Beserkers are fairly distinctive and covered in chaos symbols- you might save a few bucks but your going to lose hours of labor making them look loyalist. Though here in the US theyre the same price, so theres no savings for the poor yanks. Tacticals do get a Meltagun and a FLamer... as well as a missile launcher *for long fangs :wub:* and a couple of CC options, including another chainsword. They also give a more standard look for those of us who havent converted a pelt onto every single model and dont want to go "overboard" with the beautiful new bitz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Well you could use Khorn Berserkers or Chaos Marines but it would take a significant ammount of conversion to remove all the chaos symbols, spikes and other chaos randomness and make them look more loyalist. It can be done but it's a lot of work. Also I don't know where you are that there's such a price discrepancy, where I am all 3 sets cost $35. yeah, im not worried about the converting too much mate. aside from the symbols, i dont think id be too worried. i wouldnt use the skull shoulder pads which shout chaos, but i would leave some of the ones with the spikes etc. getting a modelling file to the khorne symbols or whatever wouldnt be too much of a problem. i usually start with a modelling knife, then finish up with the file to clean it up. those prices aree from uk games workshop website. Khorne Beserkers are fairly distinctive and covered in chaos symbols- you might save a few bucks but your going to lose hours of labor making them look loyalist. Though here in the US theyre the same price, so theres no savings for the poor yanks. Tacticals do get a Meltagun and a FLamer... as well as a missile launcher *for long fangs :)* and a couple of CC options, including another chainsword. They also give a more standard look for those of us who havent converted a pelt onto every single model and dont want to go "overboard" with the beautiful new bitz. im aiming for plasma guns anyway, so will they still help me out? in terms of the whole chaos-y look, i kinda want it. mixing that with my new space wolves will look mint after a nice paint job. if theyre all the same price in the us, why dont you just mix it up between them? i think the best option for character is definately the bezerkers though, but for a bit of difference the mail on the chaos marines would fill in the space viking theme. however, the SM would have some good weapon options in the flamer etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 You could do that I guess. I still think the chaos parts would stick out like a sore thumb. I know the ones in my Wolves army do, they were origionally 13th Company so all the Grey Hunters have lots of Chaos parts mixed in. They look ok but it's maybe a 1 in 3 ratio and they still stand out kinda glaringly. A box of Berserkers to add some axes and more dynamic legs to 2-3 boxes of Space Wolves or Tactical Marines would be cool but too many with too high a concentration of chaos parts just sticks out too obviously IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 im aiming for plasma guns anyway, so will they still help me out? in terms of the whole chaos-y look, i kinda want it. mixing that with my new space wolves will look mint after a nice paint job. if theyre all the same price in the us, why dont you just mix it up between them? i think the best option for character is definately the bezerkers though, but for a bit of difference the mail on the chaos marines would fill in the space viking theme. however, the SM would have some good weapon options in the flamer etc. I mix Tactical squads in... but not often- because the current Grey Hunter and BloodClaw boxes are just tactical squad boxes with a single sprue switched out- the one with the tacticals special weapons and seargent options for the SW upgrade sprue. So instead... I traded a few old eldar models for alot of space marines bitz, and then begged and borrowed for a few more- so I had several of each special weapon, an extra missile launcher or two, etc. Id also pay a few bucks towards someone elses box of marines in return for a couple of the bitz they werent planning on using anyways. Its funny actually- my "fire support" squads, of wich I have three, are still perfectly codex legal and got a little cheaper- 10 GHs, with bolters, one powerfist, one plasmarifle, and one plasmapistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 You could do that I guess. I still think the chaos parts would stick out like a sore thumb. I know the ones in my Wolves army do, they were origionally 13th Company so all the Grey Hunters have lots of Chaos parts mixed in. They look ok but it's maybe a 1 in 3 ratio and they still stand out kinda glaringly. A box of Berserkers to add some axes and more dynamic legs to 2-3 boxes of Space Wolves or Tactical Marines would be cool but too many with too high a concentration of chaos parts just sticks out too obviously IMO. ah k thanks man. ive got about 14 spare legs laying around, 10 of which belong to khorne bezerkers. i dont think id use to many of the torso parts, but i think they would kind of stick out. im more thinking about mixing them with the new plastic kit, apparently theres a load of spare bits to make more marines out of than the box provides, so im going to do that with some of the bits i already have. how many parts did you use on your 13th co.? almost all of the model? i was thinking of chucking in running legs for a WG squad, but not really use the chest plate as i have spares, and maybe a chaos packpack or chain axe here and their, as well as converting some of the heads. if you could put up some picks so i can see how much i would do similarly or not would be great main. cherrboh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokeiSHP Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Personally, I won't be doing that much mixing as I have an overabundance of models built with the older sprues already. I will be building some PA Wolf Guard squads with the new sprues however to go along with my old veteran marine conversions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 fair enough lokei. i have about 5 1/2 grey hunter squads atm, a couple of termies, sky claws, bikes. because a huge portion of my force is already grey hunters, i dont really want more of them, so i want the rest of the wolves i buy(for now) to be WG. i cant really justify to myself why i would have BC more wolfied than my GH, and ive already equipped all my gh with bolters. If i do some super wolfey-ing to my GH then i might be able to change it up, but i cant really think how much super wolfey-ing i can do without super GS ing 50+ GH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 how many parts did you use on your 13th co.? almost all of the model? i was thinking of chucking in running legs for a WG squad, but not really use the chest plate as i have spares, and maybe a chaos packpack or chain axe here and their, as well as converting some of the heads. I didn't do anything except shave chaos icons off, the army was assembled by someone else and I bought it off of them secondhand for fairly cheap. Twas an opportunity to start Space Wolves and I wasn't about to pass that one up. Cut a few arms off to re-equip them to be regular C:SW legal, shaved off some eight pointed stars and I also cut down the horns on many of their helmets to minimalize them some or at least cut down on that "chaos" profile. As for pics here's a couple old Pics of some of my Grey Hunters: http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/Vash113/Space%20Wolves/IMG_0384-1.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/Vash113/Space%20Wolves/IMG_0400-1.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/Vash113/Space%20Wolves/IMG_0402-1.jpg and my Wolf Lord: http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/Vash113/Space%20Wolves/IMG_0212.jpg As ya can see there's plenty of Chaos stuff in there but it's pretty spread out and I tried to underemphasise it with the painting. The Wolf Lord has chaos shoulder pads and a chaos helmet but otherwise all loyalist parts. Interrestingly enough all the Wolf Guard in the army and I mean ALL of the Wolf Guard have the wolf pelts and wolf head backpacks, but I'm not complaining. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokeiSHP Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 fair enough lokei. i have about 5 1/2 grey hunter squads atm, a couple of termies, sky claws, bikes. because a huge portion of my force is already grey hunters, i dont really want more of them, so i want the rest of the wolves i buy(for now) to be WG. i cant really justify to myself why i would have BC more wolfied than my GH, and ive already equipped all my gh with bolters. If i do some super wolfey-ing to my GH then i might be able to change it up, but i cant really think how much super wolfey-ing i can do without super GS ing 50+ GH. Exactly, though I was balanced much heavier on the BC end. I'm focusing most of my efforts right now on building full options (including special weapons variants) for 2 squads of GH, 2 squads of BC, and a squad of Skyclaws and figuring out where to sort all my other minis in afterwards. I was pretty liberal with using everything but the wolf tails before (I've never liked how they looked on most parts of the model) but I definitely want to make some super wolfy looking WG. I will probably do some chaingsword swaps, etc as well once I have the new box in my hands, plus I lack plasma rifles for my GH squads as an option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think you've got confused - there are two CSM box sets. The first is the full, 10 man box with a Special Weapons/Command Sprue and is £20. The second is a 5 man box and only contains 5 men, you get no extras and it's £12. The Khorne Box might still be £18, but that's mostly because its so old. Personally, I'd just stick to the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Personally, I agree with Vassakov, I'm going to stick to the SW sprues and the vanilla marine sprues. I have decided to build all my GH (and BC) with vanilla marine legs and will be using the legs of the new SW sprue for LF and WG only. I want a way to distinguish between packs besides their weapons and pack markings. I will give the GH pelts, wolf tails and tooth laces. From my fluff-perspective this is practical of units that are the core of the company and most frequently employed in battle. I want the WG and LF to be more elaborate and ornate w.r.t to armour since they are the most respected of troops. The former for their prowess and the latter for their experience. I will also reserve the new power backpacks of the new SW sprue only for WG. The rest (GH, BC and LF) will get normal backpacks albeit modified with tails and pelts on occasion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 thats actually an awesome plan night runner. i think ill try and spread the legs about, but ive never really focused to heavily on backpacks in terms of adding character to a model. does anyone have some ideas that i can use to wolfy up my GH? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 thats actually an awesome plan night runner. i think ill try and spread the legs about, but ive never really focused to heavily on backpacks in terms of adding character to a model. does anyone have some ideas that i can use to wolfy up my GH? I'm currently painting my 1st new GH pack. I have some pics of them in my gallery with added greenstuff pelts and tooth laces. Check it out. You might see something you like and others things you don't, but if there is anything I can help with just send me a message and I'll see what I can do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 NR mate, you're pretty good with the old GS. i think ill definately look into making some necklaces and pelts. i really like the idea of having little fur cloaks and shizz hanging from shoulder pads and from underneath backpacks. ill definately be getting some GS tomoz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/178684-combining-sets-w-sw-pa/#findComment-2113803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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