Morticon Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Ive been seeing it here and in a few other places online with people suggesting or plannin to run a mark of the wulfen model with a powerfist. For those that dont know the rule is -> "A model bearing the MotW has the rending special rule in close combat. Furthermore, he replaces his usual attacks characteristics with d6+1 rolled immediately prior to when the model makes his attacks. These attacks are made using the models claws and teeth and hence are not affected by wargear, additional weapons, and so onm though they may be bolstered by other factors (such as charging, Grimar's Living Legend ability etc." Now, overall- this dex is WONDERFUL. But this rule is just sloppily written!! ><; Before I weigh in, id like to ask what other people think? Do you get your powerfist attacks at d6+1 or do you just get your d6+1 rending attacks. Thoughts? EDIT: I was reminded by BOBMAK that this is how the Wulfen mark used to work -which could account for some of the confusion of why players are thinking they get those extra attacks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Its pretty clear. You'd get to either fight with your claws and teeth for d6+1 Rending or Fight with your fist for your normal attacks. I at least think its very Explicit that you lost the benefits of weapons and such. (You wouldnt even get to Wolftail Talisman it) and it explains why hes busy fighting with claws not a weapon. Edit: On second Reading you wouldnt even get the option fo rthe fist... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadmad Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 "These attacks are made with the models claws and teeth and hence are not affected by wargear, aditional weapons and so on" Imo opinion thats pretty clear they dont. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Id say no to any powerfist on this guy. That seems to be the intent on the passage, and relatively clear for GW eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 It seems pretty clear to me that no powerpunching with the d6, only rending. But it does look like it doesn't affect shooting at all - just assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Keep your character cheap with just a BP and CCW, and use MotW that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I agree wholeheartedly and I'm thinking of a fluffy reason as to why you would never let a guy with the mark even touch a powerfist. These guys are insane, right? They could potentially turn on their packmates (I think that could have been a nifty rule, kind of like Chaos Dreads) so why on earth would you give him something that he could destroy a Land Raider with? Even worse if said Land Raider was being used by a Wolf Lord I was bored and enjoy my fluff, the scene in my head was brilliant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 All of these rules queries is really making me question the value of humanity. Seriously. People can't be this stupid, right? It must be because they haven't actually read the dex and are just going on rumours still..... right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 All of these rules queries is really making me question the value of humanity. Seriously. People can't be this stupid, right? It must be because they haven't actually read the dex and are just going on rumours still..... right? People are always going to try and gain as much of an advantage as possible, because a guy with d6 rending attacks isn't awesome enough. People will try to find a way around it, even if the ruling is clear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Hmmmm. Fromt he rumours it was always said the Mark couldn't be used with other Special Close Combat wepaons (but that using a BP and CCW should be ok, as they're not 'special'). Now if all the Mark's rules say is Wargear doesn't effect the number of attacks you get, nor do *additional* weapons (such as using a second CCW for the +1 attack...), then it seems like using a single 'special' weapon might be ok. As the Mark is really only changing your A statistic, and is stopping you getting extra pluses to your A on top of it. If that's really what the Mark rules say, then I think I'll be leaning towards the ability to use a special weapon, but if you used two, you just owuldn't get the +1A... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 A powerfist counts as a piece of wargear if I am not mistaken which does not affect the models attacks. I feel that this one is actually fairly clear for GW. I'll send them an Email to see if they can clarify just to be objective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Hmmmm. Fromt he rumours it was always said the Mark couldn't be used with other Special Close Combat wepaons (but that using a BP and CCW should be ok, as they're not 'special'). Now if all the Mark's rules say is Wargear doesn't effect the number of attacks you get, nor do *additional* weapons (such as using a second CCW for the +1 attack...), then it seems like using a single 'special' weapon might be ok. As the Mark is really only changing your A statistic, and is stopping you getting extra pluses to your A on top of it. If that's really what the Mark rules say, then I think I'll be leaning towards the ability to use a special weapon, but if you used two, you just owuldn't get the +1A... rumors are usually bunk. MoW only allows rending. you can keep him armed with a PW(i would suggest giving him to to make him really different or at least PW and CCW)but does not get benefit from wargear, so you cannot have a s5 rending FB. which is kind redundant anyway, unless you are trying to kill tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistinthunder Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 the codex says power weapons do not affect attacks made by a model with mark of the wulfen due to the fact all the attacks are made with his teeth and claws. its why my hench wolf lord with frostblade and thunderwolf and storm sheild, doesnt have it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2119851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Is that the wording from the new dex? 'Cause in the latest White Dwarf there was a SW-player who said that he was looking forward to having his WG w/ TH giving out up to 7 attack with his TH. Dunno about that, but it would sure be nice. I'm gonna have my first look at the codex tonight, tough, so I dont know the wording. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2121984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Is that the wording from the new dex? 'Cause in the latest White Dwarf there was a SW-player who said that he was looking forward to having his WG w/ TH giving out up to 7 attack with his TH. Dunno about that, but it would sure be nice. I'm gonna have my first look at the codex tonight, tough, so I dont know the wording. Looking forward to it? Is he an idiot... you can dish that many out right now- 2 attacks base +3 from MotW+1 Countercharge +1 Wolf Pelt. 7 Thunderhammer attacks. Heck, if you use lighting claws thats EIGHT attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179113-mow-on-power-fist-model/#findComment-2122863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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