Tactical Question

[Schertenleib]

So as I've been reading the Army List posts I'm noticing that all the LRC's seem to be evaporating. I'm finding a lot of lists using massed rushes of Rhinos &/or Thunderwolves. My question is has the new codex made the LRC obsolete in SW Army Lists? Is this just people trying to get the "new toys" on the board?

 

I'm still very new and don't want to invest a lot of time and cash to inferior wargear.

[Hfran Morkai]

Nothing wrong with a Crusader! Only problem for me is finding the points for one as I'm going to run a standard raider so I have more than just one pack of scouts available for tank hunting, but I might try and find the points for my Crusader.

[Thorgrim Blackwolf]

I don't think its become obsolete but at the moment its become situational e.g. WP and full pack of BC's until we figure out what unit combo's and transports work and which ones don't in the new codex. As you said a lot people on the forum, including me, are debating footslogging units, Rhino's full of GH's and how they are going to fit into out lists etc

 

Still, nothing solves most battlefield problems like a WP and a full pack of BC's charging out of a Land Raider Crusader :lol: .

 

Cheers

 

Thorgrim

[Decoy]

In the realm of current transports, Rhinos and Drop Pods reign supreme.

 

Myself, I'm rather taken by the thought of 12 Razorbacks running amok, doing nothing but Tank Shocking and blowing up in enemy lines after their payloads have been discharged. Hehe. Maybe that's just the terrorist in me or something, though. Or a mental condition.

[Sharpsilver]

I think a perfect combo would be a land raider Crusader packed with Blood Claws and Ragnar. The sheer possibilities of the unit make it absolutely fantastic (in my view)

[Ragnars Claw]

Its better with Grey Hunters. Blood Claws already get +2 attacks on the charge so you need to roll a 5 or a 6 (assuming using a d6 to simulate a d3) to get the most out of ragnar. With Hunters you get the full benefit on a 3+ and are WS4 and the same points to boot.

 

The great thing about the codex imho is that a crusader is just as viable as rhinos or thunder wolves. So many viable options :D

[WG Vrox]

I think right now people are infatuated with our cheap GH and full 10 man packs. Lists are mostly in the how many GH can we get down the table in Rb / Rhino / DP, still keeping our heavy slots for fire support. After a few games, people will get more comfortable with allowing 1 or 2 LF/WS along with Melta Gun toting GH in a Rhino to provide all the anti-tank / fire support we need. Once that happens we will start seeing more folks comfortable with the idea of running a LRC down the middle of the table with 10 GH, attached WG, and Ragnar.

 

The LRC and LRR is going to be our only choice for transporting the large squads with HQs and thus vital to an all out assault army.

 

 

WG Vrox

[greese_m0nkey]

I am running three squads of GH in rhinos and still using my LRC for blood claws.

 

The Ragnar thing not a good idea because his rules negate the Bezerk charge rule for blood claws. You get +2 with BC, Ragnars charge bones to the unit is 1d3

 

for you can have any where from 1-3 attacks. A plain land raider with Ragnar and 9 WG tooled for assault are just plain devastating. Then use the blood claws

 

with a wolf priest as back up and you can turn an ork squad of boys into pulp in about 30 seconds.

[Lord Rao]

I'll pitch in my bit here.

I think LRCs are still as viable as ever; it's just that, as some have said, the rhinos and DPs have gotten mariginally better than before, so now it's a harder choice.

If you don't need AT for your LR, a LRC is still THE best assault tank in the game, period. The fact that you can shoot all its guns while disgorging your unit is very important, and its transport capacity is second to none. Since your assault capapbilites have gone up, across the board (esp. GH), I think it's still a tank I will field very ofen in games of 1500+pts.

[KBA]

I've been using my LRC since the Armageddon codex came out and that won't be changing anytime soon. Ragnar plus grey hunters sounds pretty nasty. Tooled up WG may be too cost prohibitive.

[Valerian]

I've been using my LRC since the Armageddon codex came out and that won't be changing anytime soon. Ragnar plus grey hunters sounds pretty nasty. Tooled up WG may be too cost prohibitive.

 

You don't need to tool up your Wolf Guard to make them effective with Ragnar; especially if you are delivering them with an LRC. Just get yourself a full pack (10 Marines) of Wolf Guard and leave most of them with their Power Armor, Bolt Pistols and CCWs; upgrade one guy with MotW, another one with a Frost Blade, and someone with a high-strength weapon (Power Fist or Thunderhammer). This unit is quite reasonably priced, but will still chew through about anything they hit with the combined effect of Ragnar's Furious Charge and his +d3 Attacks on the charge.

 

However, this being said, I would still stick with Grey Hunters, as they are still a scoring unit and with Ragnar with them will be almost as deadly as the Wolf Guard, and at a little bit of a cheaper price.

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

[Valhalla]

I've found a renewed interest in the the LRC with some of the changes in the rules for wolves. Troop capacity dropping from 12 to 10 in the regular land raider combined with Fenrisian wolves now taking up two spots each limits their usefulness if you want to give IC's some protection. Ragnar is almost 250 points but can still be dropped by a PF tucked away in a tactical squad. You'll notice he's the only special character who can take wolves which is to give him that protection, however that combo can take up to 5 spots in a transport.

 

I'm also going to try out Logan Grimmar and a Wolf Guard terminator squad and the Crusader gives a larger troop capacity, we'll see how it plays out.

[Grey Mage]

*shrugs* From what Im told LRCs still hold 16.

 

And that sounds like 14 BCs, a WG, and a priest for me.

[Toasterfree]

*shrugs* From what Im told LRCs still hold 16.

 

And that sounds like 14 BCs, a WG, and a priest for me.

LRC still holds 16. i would suggest 15 BC and a WP. you wont need the WGL with that many attacks

[littlbitz]

Land Raider Crusdaders are still awesome!

 

In fact I've been tweaking a list that has 4 Landraiders of Various types in it, our cheap troops allow me to do this in an 1850 list!