Bjorn

[Gentlemanloser]

"He's only got AV13, not 14 as rumoured.. /meh"

 

Then, I took a second glance. With a SM player how would kill to be able to field a Dready like Bjorn.

 

Dreadies have never been so durable. AV 13, so Ironclad staying power. A Venrable reroll to damage on top of that. Then an awesome 5+ Invulnerable save (that I'm assuming works like 'hull down' but doesn't require cover, and can be used in CC!).

 

That package makes him seem like a tough nut to crack!

 

Couple that with his offensive strengths. BS6! And a free Plasma Cannon. S7, so if you do manage to knock that DCCW off him, he'll still be kicking the ***** out of just about everything. And hitting anything on a 3+. Oh and 4 attacks as base. 4! 5 on the charge! -CHOP- -CHOP-? Here, take this Claw to the face!

 

That's not all, in addition, he sports some very nice 'utility'. Saga of Majesty. Reroll the board edge/go first die off. And makes you Fearless (/meh, dislike Fearless in 5th, would have salivated over Stubborn!) if he dies and turns into another objective.

 

I don't care he can't have a Drop Pod. I'm gonna march him up the board and dare my opponents to throw all thier Anti Tank at him. Then laugh as I see it bounce off AV13, saved a third of the time, or reduce killing blows by Venerable rerolls. (All the while drawing that sort of fire from the other targets my heavily outnumbered army would be at a loss to face!)

 

His I3 doesn't really matter. Let them go first, or charge them in cover. No Assault Launchers needed!

 

Bjorn. How could I not use him! ;)

[Voracioustigger]

His cost is what gets you though. A cost which... with a single plasma cannon and a DCCW is not likely to be recouped.

 

Mainly I think his value is in being a fire magnet, re-rolling the first turn and his saga. Hmmm.... how often will a railgun kill him/stop him?

 

Broadside...

3/4 hit * 1/2 pen * 2/3 beat save * 4/9 immobilize destroy (2/3*2/3 b/c or reroll) = 1/9

3/4 hit * 1/6 glance * 2/3 beat save * 1/9 immobilize destroy = 1/108

So... just under 9 Railgun shots to kill or stop on average. Lascannons are FAR worse... only about 1/27 will pop Bjorn

 

So ya... I say he's a fire magnet who may annoy the enemy a bit... but I still would only take him in bigger games.

[Wispy]

His true value is in objective based missions. Given that he can re-roll the initiative roll, chances are you are going to win the roll off. This will allow you to stack your end of the board, more often then not. Give him a little range, and stick him guarded on your side of the board beside another objective.

 

The opposing player has a choice...

 

1. Silence the very durable plasma cannon chipping awayhis troops and give you another objective on your side of the board

 

or

 

2. Ignore him, and let that very durable plasma cannon chip away at his forces.

[LPetersson]

His cost is what gets you though. A cost which... with a single plasma cannon and a DCCW is not likely to be recouped.

 

Mainly I think his value is in being a fire magnet, re-rolling the first turn and his saga. Hmmm.... how often will a railgun kill him/stop him?

 

Broadside...

3/4 hit * 1/2 pen * 2/3 beat save * 4/9 immobilize destroy (2/3*2/3 b/c or reroll) = 1/9

3/4 hit * 1/6 glance * 2/3 beat save * 1/9 immobilize destroy = 1/108

So... just under 9 Railgun shots to kill or stop on average. Lascannons are FAR worse... only about 1/27 will pop Bjorn

 

So ya... I say he's a fire magnet who may annoy the enemy a bit... but I still would only take him in bigger games.

 

The only Tau player I know is...me :-) so that doesn't really worry me.

Bugs that always glance on a 6 does however.

 

Anyway, I'm going to take him with a Plasma cannon and see how he fares.

He's going to stand way back with my 5 land speeders and just plug away and see what happens...

 

But yes, since we can't take normal VDs as HQs anymore D:< then I think I for one will make Bjorn a regular feature in my armies...

[Valerian]

I don't care he can't have a Drop Pod. I'm gonna march him up the board and dare my opponents to throw all thier Anti Tank at him. Then laugh as I see it bounce off AV13, saved a third of the time, or reduce killing blows by Venerable rerolls. (All the while drawing that sort of fire from the other targets my heavily outnumbered army would be at a loss to face!)

 

Hmm. I hadn't really noticed that he doesn't have a Drop Pod transport option; I wonder if that was intentional, or an oversight. I'll have to go back and have a look at the Elite/standard dreadnoughts to make sure they still have access. On a positive (?) note, I suppose this means I no longer have to make a decision on whether I ought to purchase a Lucius Pattern Drop Pod for him; that's too bad.

 

Valerian

[Oldenhaller]

He's definately a big game player along with many of the other special characters. His high points cost/return means that he'll not be good unless supported which you just can't manage in a smaller game. However - he's an ungodly terror when it comes to big games. With profusion of targets and a staying power akin to a raider he's going to shrug off a lot of your opponent's incidental fire. Get him into combat and you're golden as his high attacks and armour mean he'll not have the problems which normal dreads face of getting bogged down for turns on end/getting popped easilly by skulking power fists.

 

~O

[Valerian]

He's definately a big game player along with many of the other special characters. His high points cost/return means that he'll not be good unless supported which you just can't manage in a smaller game. However - he's an ungodly terror when it comes to big games. With profusion of targets and a staying power akin to a raider he's going to shrug off a lot of your opponent's incidental fire. Get him into combat and you're golden as his high attacks and armour mean he'll not have the problems which normal dreads face of getting bogged down for turns on end/getting popped easilly by skulking power fists.

 

~O

 

Yeah, that is a big problem with normal Dreadnoughts; with only 2 Attacks base, against other WS4 models your regular dread is only going to kill one enemy model per Assault phase, on average. With good Morale rolls, a cheap enemy unit can tie up a Dreadnought for the whole game.

[SamaNagol]

I don't care he can't have a Drop Pod. I'm gonna march him up the board and dare my opponents to throw all thier Anti Tank at him. Then laugh as I see it bounce off AV13, saved a third of the time, or reduce killing blows by Venerable rerolls. (All the while drawing that sort of fire from the other targets my heavily outnumbered army would be at a loss to face!)

 

Hmm. I hadn't really noticed that he doesn't have a Drop Pod transport option; I wonder if that was intentional, or an oversight. I'll have to go back and have a look at the Elite/standard dreadnoughts to make sure they still have access. On a positive (?) note, I suppose this means I no longer have to make a decision on whether I ought to purchase a Lucius Pattern Drop Pod for him; that's too bad.

 

Valerian

 

Standard/Venerable Dreads get access to Pods

[Thylacine]

"He's only got AV13, not 14 as rumoured.. /meh"

 

His I3 doesn't really matter. Let them go first, or charge them in cover. No Assault Launchers needed!

 

An AV of 13 is ok but the I of 3 is the problem, 4 would be good 5 would great. BTW whats the I of an Avatar 5 (?) and it is a dead thing. There are so many units that will be in CC with Bjorn and will bring him down way to fast for the points he costs for him to be useful in the new codex.

 

Not happy.

[Gentlemanloser]

The Avatar is a beast anyway. With a high I. ;)

 

What Bjorn gets is the nice 5+ Invulnerable save to the Avatars MC 2d6 penetrating rolls. And hits him back on a 3+ irregardless of the Avatars 10WS.

 

But still, don't focus on the Machine melting foe that is the Avatar, but on all the other nice CC units Bjorn will be happily slapping around, like an Ironclad.

 

But with 4 attacks!

[rodgers37]

Hey firstly:

I am new to the forum... been looking over a few space wolves threads, as the other forum i use doesn't seem to have very many :s

This looks like a pretty good, with plenty of activity :)

 

Anyway... i guess for Bjorn, it would have to be a conversion job... are there any images of him anyone knows about? or if anyone has a conversion of him any photo's.... I am planning on having pretty much everything from the Space Wolves codex, as i think it is great (my opinion on Bjorn was firstly his cost, and how Abaddon (who i use a lot, in my Chaos army, even at 1500pts...) would fare against him, as a very similar cost, and tbh i think he could kill Abaddon quite easily, so will probably be worth it, buy cheaper things such as DPs or Avatars... could kill him much easier with 2x D6 armour penetration)

 

(I will apologise now for my possible current and future spelling/grammar mistakes, its not my strong point...)

[Morticon]

I think Bjorn is fantastic.

 

I think he can also be the base of a very nice SW build. You only need him as an HQ and so much else is covered along with that! Very cool.

[WG Vrox]

If you take a TWLC for him, considering the BS6 would that allow you to reroll the twin linked rolls?

 

Such as you roll your first die, it comes up a 1, you pick that die up and roll it again, hoping for a 6 on your BS6 reroll table, but it rolls a 4. So now for the Twin linked roll, you pick up the die and roll another 1 so with your BS6 rule you pick it up again and roll a 6 which is a hit. I think this puts the avage to hit in the range of 93%.

 

He would truely be a sniper dread at that point.

 

WG Vrox.

[Toasterfree]

If you take a TWLC for him, considering the BS6 would that allow you to reroll the twin linked rolls?

 

Such as you roll your first die, it comes up a 1, you pick that die up and roll it again, hoping for a 6 on your BS6 reroll table, but it rolls a 4. So now for the Twin linked roll, you pick up the die and roll another 1 so with your BS6 rule you pick it up again and roll a 6 which is a hit. I think this puts the avage to hit in the range of 93%.

 

He would truely be a sniper dread at that point.

 

WG Vrox.

you can NEVER re-roll a re-roll, NEVER NEVER NEVER!

[WG Vrox]

Ahh yess, I just read that twin linked roll is considered a re-roll, thats to bad.

[Gentlemanloser]

BRB states other granted rerolls take precedent over the BS6+ ones.

[Toasterfree]

BRB states other granted rerolls take precedent over the BS6+ ones.

its a moot point anyway since you cant re-roll twin linked anyway

[Oldenhaller]

there's a lot of that going around at the moment isn't there :P

[Roguemarine]

I had someone bring up about his reroll that you aren't rolling for deployment according to 5th. And when he showed me in the rule book someone could warp that rule to say you are rolling to go first, not deployment, it just so happens that going first allows you to deploy first...just FYI that this may come up for you playing with him.

 

On a much better note i have played a few games with him and HOLY $*&^ he is amazing. keep a unit of grey hunters with him and if he dies you have an extra attack, if your opponent doesn't well guess what bjorn is in his grill. I think out of the named characters he might be toward the top of the list of who is more worth their points (in game....not on paper)

[Gentlemanloser]

Where does the +1A come from if Bjorn dies?

[Valerian]

The Avatar is a beast anyway. With a high I. ^_^

 

What Bjorn gets is the nice 5+ Invulnerable save to the Avatars MC 2d6 penetrating rolls. And hits him back on a 3+ irregardless of the Avatars 10WS.

 

Why do you think Bjorn would hit the Avatar on a 3+? Is it one of his special rules?

[greese_m0nkey]

He comes with a wolf tooth necklace. Hits on 3+ regardless of opponents WS.

[Valerian]

He comes with a wolf tooth necklace. Hits on 3+ regardless of opponents WS.

 

Nope; no Wolf Tooth Necklace on Bjorn.

 

Valerian

[Grey Mage]

Hey firstly:

I am new to the forum... been looking over a few space wolves threads, as the other forum i use doesn't seem to have very many :s

This looks like a pretty good, with plenty of activity :P

 

Anyway... i guess for Bjorn, it would have to be a conversion job... are there any images of him anyone knows about? or if anyone has a conversion of him any photo's.... I am planning on having pretty much everything from the Space Wolves codex, as i think it is great (my opinion on Bjorn was firstly his cost, and how Abaddon (who i use a lot, in my Chaos army, even at 1500pts...) would fare against him, as a very similar cost, and tbh i think he could kill Abaddon quite easily, so will probably be worth it, buy cheaper things such as DPs or Avatars... could kill him much easier with 2x D6 armour penetration)

 

(I will apologise now for my possible current and future spelling/grammar mistakes, its not my strong point...)

Actually Bjorn Fellhanded can be found quite quickly by going and googling "Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnaught".

 

The model has a DCCW that looks like a lightning claw.

[Valerian]

Hey firstly:

I am new to the forum... been looking over a few space wolves threads, as the other forum i use doesn't seem to have very many :s

This looks like a pretty good, with plenty of activity ^_^

Anyway... i guess for Bjorn, it would have to be a conversion job... are there any images of him anyone knows about? or if anyone has a conversion of him any photo's.... I am planning on having pretty much everything from the Space Wolves codex, as i think it is great (my opinion on Bjorn was firstly his cost, and how Abaddon (who i use a lot, in my Chaos army, even at 1500pts...) would fare against him, as a very similar cost, and tbh i think he could kill Abaddon quite easily, so will probably be worth it, buy cheaper things such as DPs or Avatars... could kill him much easier with 2x D6 armour penetration)

(I will apologise now for my possible current and future spelling/grammar mistakes, its not my strong point...)

Actually Bjorn Fellhanded can be found quite quickly by going and googling "Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnaught".

The model has a DCCW that looks like a lightning claw.

Here he is:

Happily, I don't have to worry about whether they release a new model or not, but for the sake of the new Blood Claws, I hope that they do.

Valerian