whitewolfmxc Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Seeing they wanted a really fluffy and Space Wolfish codex, please do ask him why they choose not to represent the Wulfen more than the old "mark of" a wulfen unit or some MotW models would've been nice...one can still use the old 13th but still... Yes that , i see no reason why they didnt make a 0-1 wulfen unit just to make us old wolves that have the old model or wants to play with them happy...... You can still play with them.. You're just going to be breaking apart your old units and adding the wolfen to your new ones. Its an upgrade for just about every squad in the codex. Grey hunter, blood claws, lone wolves and so on. All would be acceptable to toss an old 13th co Wolfen in. Thing is..........i have 35 of the old metal ones >< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 i have 20 myself - i am using 8 in the 2k list i have planned... i could get it out to 10 or 11 but thats it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Wish there was a whole unit of them so i can field all of my wulfens >< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 There's really no excuse for not including 2 pages for a legal 13th Company force based around Jorin Bloodhowl. The entire 13th Co list in the EoT dex only took up 3 pages including special rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Wish there was a whole unit of them so i can field all of my wulfens >< You can always use 'Counts As' to use your old models. Thunderwolf Cavalry would perfectly represent Wulfen to my mind -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Not on a 60 mm base, they wouldn't. Unless you put a few Wulfen on each base... I guess that would work (or at the very least, less silly). 'Beasts' and 'Cavalry' have the same rules, anways, so I could swallow it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 yeah i dont want to put a small wulfen into a 60mm base lol its just..........weird XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I have been using mine as Blood claws for lack of another option but it gets confusing if you include a MOTW in any other unit... especially the blood claws! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 maybe you should just use the ones holding the bolt pistol for count as blood claws and ones with bare hands as MOTW , its easier that way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2126678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 I'm sorry brothers, I failed to get in touch with Phil Kelly today as I spent two hours of my time trying to get hold of my Forge World order due to poor organisation on their part, then I hooked up with some friends and the opportunity never presented itself. However I shall write a letter to Mr Kelly and perhaps Jervis Johnson as well with several of our concerns so that they can review them for a FAQ later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I did get chance to speak to him and he signed my copy of white dwarf, however when I spoke to him he was kinda swamped by kids so I didnt bother him with questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Use your metal Wulfen models as large Fenrisian Wolves packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 I did get chance to speak to him and he signed my copy of white dwarf, however when I spoke to him he was kinda swamped by kids so I didnt bother him with questions. That would have been another thing, I would have felt incredibly rude shoving these huge amounts of questions upon him whilst he was surrounded. But I did say I would represent us here on the B&C and shall do that in writing to aid us in the quest for clarification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Thanks Brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilander Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 As I was mainly concerned about new DP wolfwing army I have tried to investigate as much as I can and talked to whoever I could on the Games Day. I have spoken to Phil and Alesio about the WG 'count as troops' when you take Logan and both of them confirmed that they are taken as troops and that you could take all six packs of them, that is the way they wanted it to be played anyway. In regards to DP size of 10, Jarvis cleared that marines codex got it wrong, it never should be 12 marines, but as it now went too far they are not going to apply any errata so it stays twelve for C:SM, but all following marine codices are going to have ten man DPs. Hope it helps you brothers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 As I was mainly concerned about new DP wolfwing army I have tried to investigate as much as I can and talked to whoever I could on the Games Day. I have spoken to Phil and Alesio about the WG 'count as troops' when you take Logan and both of them confirmed that they are taken as troops and that you could take all six packs of them, that is the way they wanted it to be played anyway. Now if we can just get an FAQ that clears some of these things up... In regards to DP size of 10, Jarvis cleared that marines codex got it wrong, it never should be 12 marines, but as it now went too far they are not going to apply any errata so it stays twelve for C:SM, but all following marine codices are going to have ten man DPs. Say what? That is absolutely absurd that they didn't either FAQ that immediately to either be 10 marines or a higher cost. Or FAQ DPs to be cheaper for us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I have been using mine as Blood claws for lack of another option but it gets confusing if you include a MOTW in any other unit... especially the blood claws! Then for that one wulfen model convert him so he is more unique (bigger, even more feral, model to be the "pack leader" of the pack) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjarl Bluetooth Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 As I was mainly concerned about new DP wolfwing army I have tried to investigate as much as I can and talked to whoever I could on the Games Day. I have spoken to Phil and Alesio about the WG 'count as troops' when you take Logan and both of them confirmed that they are taken as troops and that you could take all six packs of them, that is the way they wanted it to be played anyway. Now if we can just get an FAQ that clears some of these things up... I was entered in Golden Daemon so got in early - Phil Kelly was already dealing with a small crowd even before official opening. I didn't get to speak to Phil until after 3 p.m. so didn't pester him about the rules as i thought 6 hours of it would have been enough for the man! However, I did speak to Alessio and he did confirm that the WG count as troops for FOC/scoring units. As he's doing rules development these days I'm more than happy to take that as gospel. A FAQ will only confirm what everyone should know already. In regards to DP size of 10, Jarvis cleared that marines codex got it wrong, it never should be 12 marines, but as it now went too far they are not going to apply any errata so it stays twelve for C:SM, but all following marine codices are going to have ten man DPs. Say what? That is absolutely absurd that they didn't either FAQ that immediately to either be 10 marines or a higher cost. Or FAQ DPs to be cheaper for us. This was confirmed to me by Graham Davey. They got it wrong with C:SM and LR and DP should never have been given 12 capacity. I was always under the impression that FAQs don't correct official rules so as hilander said C:SM get to keep their new toys until their codex gets re-written. All stand alone SM codecies from SW onwards will only get capacity of 10. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I'm not sure whether to laugh or to cry at the way GW handled that one... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 A full FAQ will be coming out, but to be honest they considered a lot of the current questions to be ridiculous. Alessio and Phil both said the same things: Wolf Guard are Troops when Logan is in the army. JotWW does need a line of sight to at least 1 model it hits to be used. Transports are intentionally 10 man. I forgot to ask about WGBL and Wolf Lords in Terminator with Frostblades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie2533 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 of course it will prob be only 12months cause they are the smurfs after all lol one thing i noticed today while reading the codex today was that for lukas and his pelt of the doppegangrel is that is says "All successful to Hit rolls specifically allocated against Lukas (not against the squad he is with) must be re-rolled" now the bit where it says "not against the squad he is with" implies that it does work somehow while he is with a squad not sure how but thats how i interpret that particular part maybe it needs more to be added to make it work. my 2 cents Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 one thing i noticed today while reading the codex today was that for lukas and his pelt of the doppegangrel is that is says "All successful to Hit rolls specifically allocated against Lukas (not against the squad he is with) must be re-rolled" now the bit where it says "not against the squad he is with" implies that it does work somehow while he is with a squad not sure how but thats how i interpret that particular part maybe it needs more to be added to make it work. presume it'll be during wound allocation or something like that as he's an upgrade not an independent character so that'd not work unless the rest of the squad is dead? Will have to have a proper read ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2127995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 My big question, how the heck was the Game Day?? Did anyone get a box of the TDA wolves, how did the displays look, and was there any other cool things released or mention of a 2nd wave? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2128055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 OK, it dosnt work in the standard rules but if you are like me I like to issue challenges to others so it would help me their. After all challenges to liven up the game a little bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2128057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 does my eyes deceive me or does the "special" White Dwarf mini look a lot like a Squat Tech-marine? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179491-got-a-codex-clarification-issue/page/4/#findComment-2128263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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