Rhellion Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 How do you equip your Vanguard squads? I'm thinking of picking up a battleforce boxed set, and I want to convert the assault squad included to a Vanguard squad. Sergeant with a relic blade, and 4 power weapons a horrible idea? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 My vanguard: - relic blade - power sword - power fist - 3 to 4 veterans with storm shields - 1 to 2 "vanilla" (no upgrades) veterans I also place a melee-oriented IC with them or two (in my past few battles, a libby with MotA and a Master of the Forge with a power weapon and full servo harness...amounts to 4 power weapon attacks on the charge and 2 power fist attacks at init 1). You are going to want at least a one to one ratio of "guy with upgraded weapon" to "guy without upgraded weapon" to spread hits across the unit and - ideally - prevent your power weapons from going down as casualties. The vanilla marines are there to take saves (and put out some hurt, really, 2 base attacks + 1 offhand + 1 charge = 4 straight up hits) and the storm shields are to suck up power weapon hits and any other attack that will deny them an armor save. One other thing: I recommend giving them a transport. I drive mine around in a land raider, but nothing says you can't sit them in a Rhino. They can't charge out first turn the Rhino gets somewhere, but if they sit still and let the box take the hits for a turn, they can charge out the following turn. If you give them jump packs because you want to use Heroic Intervention, make that really work with a locator beacon...which can go either on a scout bike squad OR on a drop pod with an Ironclad Dread in it. =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2126484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I run a 6-man squad of Vanguard with no jump packs and all power weapons as a "retinue" for my Librarian. They kind of go through enemies like a weed wacker. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2126685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thantoes Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I run 7 vanguard 1 x Relic Blade 1 x Thunderhammer 5 x Power weapons Things tend to die when they get hit by that especially when I run them with Khan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2126783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Haven't had much time to play around with vanguard so far (I lack the models!), but when I do get to it, I'm thinking I'm gonna go for a full 10 men vanguard squad with 3 powerfists and 2-3 storm shields, and drive it around in a land raider. Possibly gonna keep it in a pedro list, for the bonus attack aura. It's gonna be expensive as all hell, but would go well with the "power armor swarm" army I want to play someday. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2127238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Haven't had much time to play around with vanguard so far (I lack the models!), but when I do get to it, I'm thinking I'm gonna go for a full 10 men vanguard squad with 3 powerfists and 2-3 storm shields, and drive it around in a land raider. Possibly gonna keep it in a pedro list, for the bonus attack aura. It's gonna be expensive as all hell, but would go well with the "power armor swarm" army I want to play someday. :devil: I have been playing with the idea of fielding two vangurds. Don't tell anybody. They'll think I'm crazy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2127256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I have been playing with the idea of fielding two vangurds. Don't tell anybody. They'll think I'm crazy. Which is just as well. If they work for you, then you should field them. :D From my experience, there are some units that are widely considered inefficient, but in the hands of some players they're gold. It's all about playstyle and preference. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2127284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 To the OP: after reading this thread, I think I may actually try your configuration (or something very near it). I've had really pleasing results with a vanguard wielding a relic blade, PF, PW, and a smattering of storm shields...I think going with one less storm shield than usual and an additional power sword or two might be worth it vs certain kinds of opponents. VS MEQ with armor, I'd probably go with my normal route. VS an opponent with fewer armor-negating melee attacks, I think I'd go with your route. Or, if their Initiative is uniformly less than mine (for example, Orks), more power weapons and two storm shields = they die faster and that hidden power claw will likely bounce off my Shield Bearers. =) In any event, I definitely recommend throwing a vanilla vet or two into the squad, so you have somebody to take saves that won't cost you a power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2127349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternguard sergeant McColl Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I use nine with an additional PF and a chappy in a rhino. Wait in the smoke choked metal box and jump out to cause some damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2127601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Haven't had much time to play around with vanguard so far (I lack the models!), but when I do get to it, I'm thinking I'm gonna go for a full 10 men vanguard squad with 3 powerfists and 2-3 storm shields, and drive it around in a land raider. Possibly gonna keep it in a pedro list, for the bonus attack aura. It's gonna be expensive as all hell, but would go well with the "power armor swarm" army I want to play someday. :) I have been playing with the idea of fielding two vangurds. Don't tell anybody. They'll think I'm crazy. I consider myself unhinged as it is, however even I call you mad for doing that. I love it, DO IT!!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2127898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I have been playing with the idea of fielding two vangurds. Don't tell anybody. They'll think I'm crazy. I consider myself unhinged as it is, however even I call you mad for doing that. I love it, DO IT!!!!!! I can't unless I play over 2k points I feel, but I'm already looking into more models for it. I'll post how it works out for me, fear you not. :P (Sorry for veering OT.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179671-equipping-vanguard/#findComment-2128094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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