Quick question on the Night Lords

[Night Lord Dred]

This is the post Im responding to. Maybe you have already forgotten about this post?

 

Also may i add, that is your opinion. The fluff is there to be dissected and used at the users want. If he/she feels that a Nurgle terror wave is in-fitting for an NL army then sobeit. Honestly, i think out of all cult units, the mindless soldiers of Nurgle fit the NL but that is my opinion. I will also give them corsucated armour in places and might even give them NL converted transport.

 

So thanks, but i'll gladly ignore your "input" and listen to the views from people who have actually had positive input and constructive criticisms.

 

I dont really care what you do, its your army. However, you stated this since saying youre making separate forces. This just isnt true, the "opinion" is baseless.

[wilkuu]

LOL that was a response to someone saying "YOU CANT DO THIS OR DO THAT". It was an example of that you can do it hence the If he/she feels that a Nurgle terror wave is in-fitting for an NL army then sobeit.

 

Maybe i missed off the "If i want" at the end of the sentence so no, i hadnt forgotten about the post as you tried ever so cleverly to point out.

[wilkuu]

I have nothing more to say on this matter. If you dont care then dont post.

[Night Lord Dred]

No one is telling you you cant do that. Were telling you that its not a Night Lords army (which it isnt). I can say my guys are invincible, have travelled back in time from the future where they single handedly slaughtered the tyranid fleets, and call them Night Lords, but it doesnt really mean anything when it's something they would never bother doing.

[incinerator950]

I suggest both of you to stand down

[wilkuu]

I have nothing more to say on this matter

[chillin]

Can I just say, as the source of that "Slaanesh Lash Prince counting-as Night Lords Prince" quote, that I would never, ever, ever go so against the fluff of the Night Lords. It's just always bugged me seeing that quote as someones signature taken out of context (not intentionally).

 

Wasn't refering to the quote in someones signature (unless it was a quote from the discussion I'm refering to that someone put in their signature), but repeating a "justification" someone used in the army list review forum. Besides that I've heard a player at a GW store say the exact thing almost word for word about his "NL's" lash DP "so terrifying he scares enemies into going were he wants them too" :blush: His "NL" had 2 squads of NM's too. Not really sure why he even called them NL's he only had 1 squad of NL's models (with the batty hats) painted as NL's. Then a lsh prince, 2 squads of NM's, 2 squads of IoS csm's and 2 defilers all painted pink and black.

But he kept calling them NL's over and over again . Not sure who he was trying to convience ?

[Dan The Deamon]

To the Author of this thread, I have had good experience playing a night lords army with cult troops. Anything is possible with imagination and the counts as rule.

My plague marines

Instead of bats they look like ghosts.. They are tough marines who use a ghostly visage to scare their foes.

Before that i played my plague marine champ as an apothecary and stuck him in a unit of robed night lords. Counts as complete.

My zerks

Marines who fight well. No big deal here, counts as complete.

In fact i play an Army so far beyond what some would call a "night lords army" that it would be described better as black legion.

I run obliterators (nuh ah! they are totally not in a night lords army!!!1)

I run a defiler ( no jump pack?! no way!)

I run a land raider (Night lords fly everywhere, they don't drive!!!11)

I run zerks (no cult units!!!)

I run Plagues ( plague is nurgle and we hate everything!)

I run chaos glory squads (only 'true' Night lord unit, however they don't have jump packs DUN DUN!!!!)

I run a deamon prince with the mark of nurgle! ( true night lord commanders won't accept handouts from the gods!!!)

I have zero fast attack in my army

WHO CARES!

The only thing making a night lord army is calling them night lords, and painting them night lords. You can't tell someone they aren't playing true night lords because they no longer exist. What you guys are referring to is just a very heavy raptor army with no marks. That's not pure, that's just falling into half arsed fluff written in 3.5E

I hope you're enjoying playing whatever list you've come up with. I hope you aren't playing a non-competative, no fun list, just to maintain high moral standing and hating every minute of it.

Let me know if you need ideas for fitting in units into your NL's. I'm sorry you've gotten such negative responses towards YOUR army.

[CastratedCow]

If you're going to do this, do it right. Come up with a good back story that explains why you have two armies working together. Why are the Plague Marines working with the Night Lords? Why are the Night Lords working with the Plague Marines? The traitor legions do sometimes work together, so if you can explain the why I see no problem with this idea.

 

Just please, oh please, don't try to say the Plague Marines are 'extra scary Night Lords.'

 

Do that and you will have zero fluff issues.

[the jeske]

The only thing making a night lord army is calling them night lords, and painting them night lords.

this is only partll true. because for example if you pick a WB army[they never worship one god ] ,it doesnt really matter what you paint them or what you call them , if there are cult units in it , its not a WB army , just a BL army painted red.

 

the whole idea of playing AL or WB or any other named army not just chaos sm , is that you play not only the build , but also the fluff. If someone wants to play a mix of cult units there is an army he can use , its the BL , going around and saying that those pms in a WE army are "just" siege specialists makes no sense. Because If you dont like the army fluff[you dont want to play it according to fluff] , then why call them that way? to paint the dark blue ?

[Dan The Deamon]

In the recent book Dark Disciple Marduk the main character takes his battle force on a mission to extract mechanicus information from a death world. In game terms he takes the equivalent of;

 

1 lord

1 possessed marine

1 coryphaues + 4 terminators

8 bezerkers 1 champ (khalaxis' marines were reffered to his bezerkers at the end of the novel, twice)

8 marines 1 champ

8 havocs 1 champ

4 land raiders.

 

during the course of the book marduk summons 8 bloodletters against genestealers in an infested ship. Later on when he is taken prisoner by dark eldar, he summons a horde or deamonettes to help free himself.

 

During the book all the author and the word bearers did was refer to the dark gods in equal measure. Some marines end up going down one path of their patron deity (khalaxis) and some stay Chaos Glory if you will.

 

What you are implying is that because this word bearer force used khorne, and slaanesh, they are not actually word bearers. In fact during the whole book there is ZERO mention of tzeentch and nurgle is maybe mentioned one time. At the end when Marduk is raised to Dark Apostle on the deamon world of Sicarus by Kor Phareon and Erebus it pretty much cemented the fact that he's a word bearer, but he only used two gods?

 

Aside from the Word bearers thing armies are relative. No matter the skill level of who is in the legion, the company, the squad, some marines are better at some things than others. In the death guard they had assault squads. In the Word Bearers they had Raptors. In the World Eaters short story After Desh'ea there was the character Jareg, the Master Shellsmith from the artillery section. Horzt, commander of 9th companies stormbird squadron. These armies had specialties and i can guarantee you that hand to hand (counts as zerks) was one of them.

 

try not to take your view of chaos and 40k from the narrow confines of the new codex. There is fluff written EVERYWHERE, regardless if you want to find it or not.

 

If i wanted to play Alpha legion correctly i would slash my opponents tires before he comes to the game store. If i wanted to play Night lords correctly i would break into his house at night and scare his mother and steal some of his models.

 

Fluff takes you up to turn 1. Then it's whatever you have on the table vs whatever he has.

 

In fact i play a word bearers army, that i call night lords, that i model like night lords, and i paint them dark blue with matching fluff.

They are Night Lords.

[wilkuu]

If someone wants to play a mix of cult units there is an army he can use , its the BL

 

I'm not interested in any other cult units. I just wanted to use my favourite unit (favourite in terms of the look of the model and the fluff behind the model) of chaos in my favourite legion of chaos.

 

I seem to remember someone saying that these are efficient soldiers and they use tools of war. Well my NL tools of war would be a Plague Unit. Comparable in the way to which the 'Nids send down a spore unit. Or even better, in terms of when Lufgt. Blackheart "hired" a vanguard of Night Lords to sabotage the generators to the fortress he was attacking. I just wouldnt think the NL would "hire" units. You know, even if the NL 'captured' some Plague Marines in order to be used as a flesh shield.

 

But obviously, since the negative response i've gone on to think of a Warband dedicated to Nurgle of my own thinking so i have to weight up the idea of ditching that now as well... <_<

[DuskRaider]

Night Lords? Who are they? Wait... I think they USED to exist, but I thought it was just a myth! Along with Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, and Iron Warriors... Oh well, I guess we'll never know.

[incinerator950]

Night Lords? Who are they? Wait... I think they USED to exist, but I thought it was just a myth! Along with Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, and Iron Warriors... Oh well, I guess we'll never know.

 

Denial

 

the jeske is correct, while you can stretch the fluff a bit, don't pull a BL and :rolleyes: it over.

 

If you want to say your Nightlords fell to one of the gods to survive but still are apart of the legions, go make a semi decent story and your good, however don't go around calling the cult units your "faster or tougher" versions because I'll hit you with the spikey bits parts of my tanks.

[Dan The Deamon]

So you'd rather there be Nurgle, khorne, slaanesh and tzeentch night lords than faster and tougher ones?

 

I thought you were lobbying for purity.

 

(try and refrain from making threats or promises over the internet. It usually doesn't help your case)

[Wolfbiter]

If someone wants to play a mix of cult units there is an army he can use , its the BL

 

I'm not interested in any other cult units. I just wanted to use my favourite unit (favourite in terms of the look of the model and the fluff behind the model) of chaos in my favourite legion of chaos.

 

I seem to remember someone saying that these are efficient soldiers and they use tools of war. Well my NL tools of war would be a Plague Unit. Comparable in the way to which the 'Nids send down a spore unit. Or even better, in terms of when Lufgt. Blackheart "hired" a vanguard of Night Lords to sabotage the generators to the fortress he was attacking. I just wouldnt think the NL would "hire" units. You know, even if the NL 'captured' some Plague Marines in order to be used as a flesh shield.

 

But obviously, since the negative response i've gone on to think of a Warband dedicated to Nurgle of my own thinking so i have to weight up the idea of ditching that now as well... :rolleyes:

 

I wouldn't have any issues playing against your army. It doesn't sound like you are trying to do an excessive power build, you're just trying to include elements of Night Lords and Plague Marines. Does it fit strictly with some people's vision of how the Night Lords operate? Perhaps not.

 

Fluff can be a lot of fun...I still run my Plague Marine squads in units of 7 marines, for instance. But don't let yourself be straitjacketed to the point where you feel forced to build your army in a way that you don't like simply because of someone else's preference, not your own.

[incinerator950]

So you'd rather there be Nurgle, khorne, slaanesh and tzeentch night lords than faster and tougher ones?

 

I thought you were lobbying for purity.

 

(try and refrain from making threats or promises over the internet. It usually doesn't help your case)

 

it does very well for funs and lulz

 

We are, I personally don't care what you put in your army unless you're like Corpse and you're specifically acting like a douche with a mass land raider list.

 

however, no amount of counts as is hiding a mark of a Chaos patron

[Dan The Deamon]

Then we are in agreement. When i say counts as, they are indeed plague marines, They look different, but are in fact T5, feel no pain, I3, blight grenades Night lords.

 

I still call them plague marines in games. I like the stats, i use them for my army. I use my imagination to make them fit, and make my army look themed.

 

If you want to occupy Night lord moral high ground then have fun, you're the king of the hill.

 

I would listen to you if you found out i was cheating or breaking the rules, but the fact is it is entirely legal, and encouraged by GW to mix and match in 4th chaos dex.

 

If someone wants help to create a legal army and it doesn't sit well with your idea of fluff, don't help. Hindering the individual and telling him what he can't do is pointless. He can do anything the book lays out.

 

When the legion codex comes out i will play night lords with night lord rules. Until then i'm playing blue, bat marines, with every bodies rules.

 

Because i like blue bat marines :rolleyes:

[Kabbala]

When the legion codex comes out i will play night lords with night lord rules. Until then i'm playing blue, bat marines, with every bodies rules.

 

Exactly. As it stands with the current CSM codex, I will build and play my Night Lords how I wish. In the current edition, we can argue the fluff versus rules all day long, but at the end of the day my list will still be legal. It's a game first and foremost, and we play with the rules we have.

[incinerator950]

Then we are in agreement. When i say counts as, they are indeed plague marines, They look different, but are in fact T5, feel no pain, I3, blight grenades Night lords.

 

I still call them plague marines in games. I like the stats, i use them for my army. I use my imagination to make them fit, and make my army look themed.

 

If you want to occupy Night lord moral high ground then have fun, you're the king of the hill.

 

I would listen to you if you found out i was cheating or breaking the rules, but the fact is it is entirely legal, and encouraged by GW to mix and match in 4th chaos dex.

 

If someone wants help to create a legal army and it doesn't sit well with your idea of fluff, don't help. Hindering the individual and telling him what he can't do is pointless. He can do anything the book lays out.

 

When the legion codex comes out i will play night lords with night lord rules. Until then i'm playing blue, bat marines, with every bodies rules.

 

Because i like blue bat marines :P

 

I never said it was pointless, hell if I keep my army it's going to be a Nurglified Nightlords Company. Just saying, trying to use counts as to cover up will only halfway make it different, in the eyes of everyone else it's a turkey of an army.

[Dan The Deamon]

you know what. You are right I'll use the night lord rules. Where are they again?

 

I found one entry in the Night lord codex. It's a troop choice with;

WS/ BS/ S/ T/ W/ I/ A/ Ld/ Sv

4 / 4 / 4 / 5 / 1 / 3 / 1 / 10 / 3+

Special rules.

Fear no pain

Defensive grenades

extra toughness (included in profile)

 

They're called anything i want them to be called.

 

No turkey

[wilkuu]

Well i'm appreciative of everyones views both negative and positive. Kind of OT but kind of on topic, i have decided to have a fluffy Night Lords army AND a Nurgle Army of my own creation. Reason not being because its "unfluffy" or other, i've based my decision purely on the fact that i want my Night Lords to look a certain way. (I want them all to have the conversion bat helmets and shoulder pads, scoped bolters). My current army that i put together is just a mixture of horned helmets, hairy helmets, different types of armour. I guess my current army looks more "renegade-esque" because it looks like soldiers comprised of different chapters (which may i add, infits with my plan of fluff)

 

Now my questions to everyone is ;-

 

1. Where do you get scoped bolters? (other than in the Deathguard conversion kit)

2. I have my first model which i put together, which is a vindicator. Is it fluffy for the Night Lords to tak heavy support other than Havocs? (I'm not too keen on the "fast attack" lists that keep popping up. Im more focused on the Terror/Stealth side)

[Wolfbiter]

Now my questions to everyone is ;-

 

1. Where do you get scoped bolters? (other than in the Deathguard conversion kit)

2. I have my first model which i put together, which is a vindicator. Is it fluffy for the Night Lords to tak heavy support other than Havocs? (I'm not too keen on the "fast attack" lists that keep popping up. Im more focused on the Terror/Stealth side)

 

I don't think the Chaos sprues come with bolter scopes, you may have to get those from Loyalist Marine sprues. (Which unfortunately, can get pretty expensive.)

[Dan The Deamon]

1. Space marines tac squads or bitz shops online. Deathwatch bolters are expensive but they look pretty cool too.

2. Is it fluffy for the Night Lords to tak heavy support other than Havocs? Short answer. Yes

 

Remember Aside from terror or stealth the legions fighting doctrine was overkill, and decisive attacks.

[incinerator950]

Yes.