Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 allow me to preface this by reminding you all that I have been very very up front about my sub-par painting skills ths far. I don't know how to paint well, I know I don't know how to paint well, and after nearly half my life I don't think I will ever know hwo to paint very well. Now that being said I still want to do the best I can with what I have avalable, and I think it is high time I admit I have plateaued on my own and ask my brothers for aid. As you may have guessed from the topic in question I want some help with a custom job on a Razorback, but this is no ordinary razorback. Oh no. This is the razorback with the worst luck of any mini I have ever seen! First of all when I assembled it i was trying (foolishly) to assemble and then paint the stupid thing because so many people talk about how it ends up making a better products. I will never make that mistake again, but its too late for this little beauty, its already put togeather. After that I decided taht I wanted it to have an HK missile launcher, so I put the launcher together and put it on, only to find out later that the bottom of the base had apparently gotten into a glue spill and was now stuck on to the Razorback. Not too big of a deal really, Just factor it into each list and call it good. Unfortunately that launcher was later broken off by my little brother because my mother did not realize how expensive these things are (Yes I am a man in my mid 20s with a little brother of 8... in fact I even have a 1 year old brother, but that is another story) Anyways the woes didn't seem to end there because when I decided to dress up the doors with wolf skull and crossbones bitz I got dyslexic about which glue I bought. One type of 'generic super glue' works almost exactly like the stuff GW sells in just about every way! The other... doesn't. Guess which one I used! So after I thought the skulls and headlights were set I went off to get a few other things taken care of, only to find out that everything had shifted and set improperly making the whole thing look even more shoddy than usual! So right now I have a razorback with uneven bitz, my usual poor/half finished paint job and a broken off HK sponson glued to one of the holes... oh yeah and my brother also lost the left door. Why am I telling you all this you may ask? Simple, I want your help to PIMP MY RAZORBACK! Here is the deal. I want to make this Razorback look like it is held together with 'glue and string and staples'. I want people to look at it and wonder what kind of sadomasochistic Iron Priest dared to let the thing out of the fang in the condition it is in. I want claw marks, I want blast marks. I want this thing to look so beaten up and so wolfed out at the same time that it makes the gnarliest Scarboy look like he belongs on the cover of Vouge. I need your help for this brothers. I will put up some pics of the Razorback in its 'mostly done' state and let the rest of you throw in some input. I already have some basic idea of what I want, but it makes much more sense to fall back on the advice of my Brothers. Remember to go nuts people. As long as you can hint at how it 'might be done' no idea is too zaney or too far out, short of dropping something heavy on it. http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6425/frontcx.jpg http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8210/rightgf.jpg http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6245/leftk.jpg http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5315/rearp.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9436/topps.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2940/bottomb.jpg Please forgive the poor photo quality, I only have a laptop-mounted webcam... and forgive the even worse painting quality. Its not done, but I admit I am a better leader than artist. Thank you again brothers and remember, no idea is too zany our 'out there' to at least consider for this. The only criteria is that is must be beaten up and wolfy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 how about you buy some brake oil, get a large can and clean it of it's paint, then see what can be done? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Soak it in Pinesol overnight, take an old toothbrush to it, and away you go! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 I would, but as I have said before I suck at painting, so any attempts to repaint it would probably end up looking just as bad. At this point I have more or less accepted that this is probably as good as I am going to get. If twelve years of trial and error hasn't gotten me anywhere (Admittedly with few relative attempts) then not sure just how to make it any better. At least people now know why I don't post pics here. I love the game, but have absolutely no art skill. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Based on your other posts, you probably are going to want to use the model as an active piece of your force. If that is off base, then the ideas as a piece of terrain would be the first road to go down. But to make it a better, here are some ideas in your favorite format: 1) with an exacto knife and file take all the broken bits and markers off the vehicle. After this use a fine grain sand paper to smooth out any illregularities(sp) on the existing paint job. Just try to smooth down bumps, not looking to remove all the paint. 2) Now for the missing door, if you can get some plasticard cut a piece that would fill the overall opening, don't worry about the hinge area. Fill in the hinge area with GS. If you are unable to do this then wait to step 4 to deal with the missing door. 2) re-prime the whole thing with some black spray paint. Once dried a light spray paint coat of grey in a shade you like. This take care of the paint job. Stay away from the blue and red paint (don't even look at it) 4) If the door is still a problem, get a bit of pipping and use it as like a velvet rope across the doorway. Only those worthy can enter the razorback. (this is in jest, but might look cool) Hope these ideas help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 Based on your other posts, you probably are going to want to use the model as an active piece of your force. If that is off base, then the ideas as a piece of terrain would be the first road to go down. But to make it a better, here are some ideas in your favorite format: 1) with an exacto knife and file take all the broken bits and markers off the vehicle. After this use a fine grain sand paper to smooth out any illregularities(sp) on the existing paint job. Just try to smooth down bumps, not looking to remove all the paint. 2) Now for the missing door, if you can get some plasticard cut a piece that would fill the overall opening, don't worry about the hinge area. Fill in the hinge area with GS. If you are unable to do this then wait to step 4 to deal with the missing door. 2) re-prime the whole thing with some black spray paint. Once dried a light spray paint coat of grey in a shade you like. This take care of the paint job. Stay away from the blue and red paint (don't even look at it) 4) If the door is still a problem, get a bit of pipping and use it as like a velvet rope across the doorway. Only those worthy can enter the razorback. (this is in jest, but might look cool) Hope these ideas help. Hmmm, well since I do love answering posts in list form point by point... (and yes this will be the razorback used for my GH squad) 1. I think i have some fine grit around somewhere, and can take a crack at that. I kinda hate to lose the emblems, but they really don't look right anyways. 2. Not sure if I can get anywhere that sells plasticard, and I don't plan to order anything online, but it could work. 3. Well again I do kinda hate to lose what i've done, but based on that reaction I just got it is probably best. Besides spray paint will probably succeed where my subconcious need to cover every surface with paint fails. 4. Rope... I donno... but I do think that some form of GS item could do it. Maybe get some and try to make a wolf pelt to go over the door or something... it would be really hard but i'm willing to give it a shot. Thanks for the advice. It does suck thinking about redoing everything but I fully accept I have little art skill. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Heh, reminds me of one of my rhino's. Whay back in the mists of time I bought a prediter. As I was young. foolish, in a rush and using sticky paste (dont ask) it fell to bits in minutes. Fast forward 4 years and I have a rhino chasis in my bits box. So I rooted deeper, found some top haches and plates (from my Razerback, now wherlwind) I had the basics. I then gatherd up all the leman russ tracks I could find in my guard bits, and as for the storm bolter, half of its a rhino's and the other halfs from a leman russ. Basically the thing looks like it was built from leftover bits (which it was) and now has pride and place in my army as "Old Faithful" the oldest rhino in the company. And it usualy survives the game. But thats my advice. Dont add any bits, paint some scratches on (its relitivly easy) and give it to the eldest wolf in your company. "I've been riding in this thing since I was a bloodclaw and I'll be damed if I'm getting a new one!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Well Hrathmar you are in luck. I just finished helping another friends brother fix a sub par army that he inherited, so I have some experience dealing with these sort of fix-ups. First go obtain either a)brake fluid B) pine-sol or c) simple green. This will help strip any minis that you want of their paint, in order to give the primer something to bond with. Second obtain either black or gray automotive primer. If you're in the US or Canada (i think) and have a Walmart nearby they sell it for something like 3.97 a can. The reason you want primer is that it bonds with the plastic or metal, so it ends up a lot more durable than just grey spray paint. Another option here would be Rustoleum brand spray paint, which is more expensive but does the same thing as primer, but in any color under the sun. If you have any guys/vehicles that need repair work, the chemical bath should help to slightly soften any hardened glue or green stuff that you may want to scrape. Another option that I've used to good effect is battle damage. Its very easy to do, and pretty easy to paint too. In the case of my friends little brothers tanks, the previous owner had tried to make a newly turned chaos marine army, so he had hacked off all of the Imperial iconography, but since he is the worst painter/modeler I have ever seen ( and that includes the pictures of your "ugly" tank) he basically hacked away at this tank with a modeling knife . It literally looked like it had been attacked by Khorne Berserkers. So I took Green stuff to the hole, as the blemishes weren't very deep, and repaired it enough to where it only had a few scratches left. I then took these scratches and widened and deepened them, and extended them until they were about halfway down the tank. I also added a couple of spots that made it look like the hull was bubbling and corroded. I then showed the kid how to paint, and then I helped paint it to look like one of the previous drivers had tried to run over a carnifex, or some other big bad critter like that. Now I know you say you don't have the skills but if I can teach someone who's parents didn't trust him with a butter knife (really he wasn't allowed to use a knife made of metal while he was in the house) how to do this after him only playing 40k for 3 days, I'm sure you can do a couple of bullet scars or melta burns to disguise a few bad spots. The easiest way to make bullet holes is with your knife. First you need a blade with a good tip on it. Then you take the knife to whatever spot you don t like and stick the knife into the model. Then spin the knife in the hole you just created, until you a) get the size bullet hole you want, or B) cover up the spot you dislike. If its a larger spot you could always make a burn spot from a flamer or melta gun. To do this I just use some plastic glue and put a couple of dots spread over the area, and then smear them with my finger until it looks like its been partially melted. Then after you prime or spray your vehicle just drybrush the spot black and it tends to look charred and crispy. Hope this all helps, and sorry for no pics, the army in question is on the other side of Florida from me. If you have any question about anything PM me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 I am ashamed to admit, I had considered trying to just hack at it with an exacto knife at one point.... though I was planning on using green stuff over the gaps to try and make it look like more obvious gashes. Still before anything else I think I need to try the stripping everyone is advocating. I'll probably leave the turret alone though since it actually could look good if I could figure out how to smooth over Yellow. I really wish I would have painted this one before assembly since its easier, and its another reason why I'm thinking of asking for a sprayer for birthday/chrismas. Still I have gotten some really good advice here though. I'll take a shot at getting simple green and 'ataking care' of this thing, i'll post pics again when i've redone the basics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2130307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 PM me with your address, I have an extra door I'll send you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2131821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Id use a small screwdriver, a very small flathead as it were, and chip off the icons youve put on there- you might be able to salvage them if your careful. For the HK missile Id sand it down a little, preferably with a dremel tool, and then put one of those little radar dishes in its stead. For the left door thats missing Id actually, and very carefully, cut out the inside left doors aswell and have a Grey Hunter poking his head out with a bolt pistol ready to fire... for that little bit of extra "cool". If you like giving your razorback a stormbolter than a LF with a stormbolter would be even cooler. Why is it pintel mounted? Because he can stick his head out of any door he chooses and lean forward to take shots. His only remaining pack mate is the driver <_<. Mostly though, I think its the three primary colors that make me scartch my head when combined with the grey background. I think I would ditch one of them, probly the blue... but its your color scheme, so if thats how the rest of your army rolls Id leave it be. And of course... you gave it a nameplate with a name right? Because really that gives you a +.8 on all dice rolls over the course of its life. Always worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2131847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Id use a small screwdriver, a very small flathead as it were, and chip off the icons youve put on there- you might be able to salvage them if your careful. For the HK missile Id sand it down a little, preferably with a dremel tool, and then put one of those little radar dishes in its stead. For the left door thats missing Id actually, and very carefully, cut out the inside left doors aswell and have a Grey Hunter poking his head out with a bolt pistol ready to fire... for that little bit of extra "cool". If you like giving your razorback a stormbolter than a LF with a stormbolter would be even cooler. Why is it pintel mounted? Because he can stick his head out of any door he chooses and lean forward to take shots. His only remaining pack mate is the driver :D. Mostly though, I think its the three primary colors that make me scartch my head when combined with the grey background. I think I would ditch one of them, probly the blue... but its your color scheme, so if thats how the rest of your army rolls Id leave it be. And of course... you gave it a nameplate with a name right? Because really that gives you a +.8 on all dice rolls over the course of its life. Always worth it. Well the paint idea was specifically to match up with GH squad that was going to go into it (I have a story about them and they are 'mostly' done like most of my army. always something more to do) I have been using alot of red and blue along with the grey as a way to tie the pack together. Alot of BS about representing the 'Fire and Frost of Fenris' and all that. It looks pretty good on the minis I have done, at least compared to my usual 'lack of skill' work. But honestly the more I look at it the more the Yellow is kind of bugging me, if only because it of all things never goes on right and the only way I can make it work with the paldrons is to repeatedly brush it on with a fan brush and then cover the edges with grey using a toothpick afterward. if I decide to undo the paint job and spray it, which is where I am leaning, I probably won't deal with that and instead try some other metallic or something. I like the idea of a Long fang hanging out the side of the thing taking pot shots. It would be difficult but it might actually work better than waiting for a tube of GS and wasting half of it trying to make a pelt. I do agree with the name plate idea, but that is going to be something special as well. I still have two tubes of Mighty putty laying around, and the stuff has thus far proved difficult to impossible to sculpt with in any form other than straight flat blocks. My intention is to make some rune stones similar to those on the Wolf tooth necklace (only bigger) and cut its name out using actual Runes. For some rason the 'scrawling paper' name plate never seemed Wolfy enough to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2131888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Fair enough... any idea what youd name it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2131905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 GifrDreyri, which means "Trollblood" unless my syntax is off. Considering the theme I think it would be a fitting name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2131925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Gifrblod? Gifrkyn? Im not familiar with the Dreyri, but I admit Im no expert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2131941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Well I just did some more research, after posting antoher topic, and I think I got my wires crossed, in which case Gifrblod would be more fitting It seems the version of blood I used was Old Norse for blood as it equates to Gore and shed blood rather than blood itself. The name I had set up would really work better for a frost blade or something. but then again I'm not an expert either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/179951-pimp-my-razorback-pic-heavy/#findComment-2132012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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