volfbjorn Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 So here we are :) with a brand new dex and Our Wolf Lord better than ever . The point is that there are too many option in how to use him ( i mean in which unit) . for example LF would be nice with him . but also a LRC or LRR having 5-6 WG in TDA and using him to lead an assault . more fluffy according to his saga also . So any of who are more expirienced from me could you give some advices ? :) . i want to make clear that i don't want to make a terminator army but it is always nice to have a strong troop unit and Logan himself leading an army ... P.S i am talking about a 1750 pts list , but i don't need a specific list just some ideas :) Thx in advance :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokeiSHP Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 So here we are :D with a brand new dex and Our Wolf Lord better than ever . The point is that there are too many option in how to use him ( i mean in which unit) . for example LF would be nice with him . but also a LRC or LRR having 5-6 WG in TDA and using him to lead an assault . more fluffy according to his saga also . So any of who are more expirienced from me could you give some advices ? :D . i want to make clear that i don't want to make a terminator army but it is always nice to have a strong troop unit and Logan himself leading an army ... P.S i am talking about a 1750 pts list , but i don't need a specific list just some ideas :D Thx in advance :P Honestly I think people are thinking too 1 dimensionally about Logan, trying to put him in the biggest baddest squad of killers ever. Consider if you will the idea of putting him in a squad with Plasma toting Grey hunters (and maybe a combi-plas WG). Give them Relentless and they can dakka dakka and still engage in CCQ. Roll this up in a LRC and watch your opponent go nuts trying to stop it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 So here we are :D with a brand new dex and Our Wolf Lord better than ever . The point is that there are too many option in how to use him ( i mean in which unit) . for example LF would be nice with him . but also a LRC or LRR having 5-6 WG in TDA and using him to lead an assault . more fluffy according to his saga also . So any of who are more expirienced from me could you give some advices ? :D . i want to make clear that i don't want to make a terminator army but it is always nice to have a strong troop unit and Logan himself leading an army ... P.S i am talking about a 1750 pts list , but i don't need a specific list just some ideas :D Thx in advance :P Why not both? Deploy Logan and a couple of wolves in a drop pod with your Long Fangs. Deploy several WG in TDA in a Land Raider and drive forward toward the drop pod. On turn one, the DP lands and the long fangs step off firing away. One turn two, the LRR advances closer and Logan can move into the Raider or the WG can disembark and join him. As I read the rule (bear in mind I still haven't received the codex) it seems that Logan will confer relentless to the Long Fangs at the beginning of the turn. Therefore, he can leave the unit in the movement phase and they'll still benefit. The Long Fangs can move into cover on turn 2 as Logan leaves them behind to join the WG. The same would work with a unit of hunters, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 smart move Grim i should say , but how come that you can move and shoot when DP initially lands ? isn't it following the normal DP rules ? . If so then the LF on turn 1 they can either fire or run , not to move and shoot . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectre312 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 They have relentless USR that turn. Move and Shoot heavy weapons. BBRB pg 76 :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 yes i know that, but the point is according to Deep Strike rules , you can't move . In shooting phase you can either RUN or shoot . Relentless as far as i know give you the ability to move (in movement phase) and shoot any heavy weapons in shooting phase. isn't that right ? . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 yes i know that, but the point is according to Deep Strike rules , you can't move . In shooting phase you can either RUN or shoot . Relentless as far as i know give you the ability to move (in movement phase) and shoot any heavy weapons in shooting phase. isn't that right ? . I think the movement was just the amount to get them off the Drop Pod. But, I'm not sure that Grimfoe is right that Logan provides Relentless to the unit even if he leaves them. I'm not sure he's wrong either, this one is questionable in my mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 depends if the High King Rule is at the start of the turn. if it is then at that time Logan is still in LF squad so he would be able to give them the special rule and in movement phase walk away. if not well then it is a shame :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The exact wording is "Logan and any unit he is with have that rule". So if Logan is not with them, no special rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The exact wording is "Logan and any unit he is with have that rule". So if Logan is not with them, no special rule. I can't disagree. I'm looking forward to reading the entire codex. Everything I've read so far indicates that Logan could leave the unit and the unit would still benefit. The downside to this interpretation is that any unit he joins will get no special rule as he'll be joining it after the beginning of the turn. If the rule is granted at the start of the turn, then what happens during the turn would not necessarily matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The way it reads to me is that you choose the skill at the beginning of the turn...it stays with logan, the unit he joins also receives it, then they utilize the rule in shooting or CC. It says at the beginning of the turn the rule is selected it then says logan and any unit he is with ,use the rule until the duration of the turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 the kicker to it is WITH if logan is not with the unit they do not get the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 This is almost better. You could then drop your Long Fangs in and have Logan move to join them and then have them fire. Unless there is something that the codex states that says Logan needs to be with them at the beginning of the turn and through the turn. I'm interested in seeing what the final determination is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 This is almost better. You could then drop your Long Fangs in and have Logan move to join them and then have them fire. Unless there is something that the codex states that says Logan needs to be with them at the beginning of the turn and through the turn. I'm interested in seeing what the final determination is. its at beginning of the turn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 This is almost better. You could then drop your Long Fangs in and have Logan move to join them and then have them fire. Unless there is something that the codex states that says Logan needs to be with them at the beginning of the turn and through the turn. I'm interested in seeing what the final determination is. I think this is right. You pick the skill at the begining of the turn. The skill follows Logan, so if he is attached to wolf guard, picks relentless, then leaves to join Long Fangs, the Wolf Guard lose relentless and the Long Fangs gain it when Logan joins htem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 This begs the question of it you can choose a skill for Logan while he's off board. If not, he can't have a skill for the first turn he deploys in a Drop Pod (or comes in from reserves). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 This begs the question of it you can choose a skill for Logan while he's off board. If not, he can't have a skill for the first turn he deploys in a Drop Pod (or comes in from reserves). Probably not. Can't cast Psychic powers that happen at the start of the turn when you are off board, so this is probably the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 It doesn't say you have to be on the board to choose the special rule. It just says you choose it at the beginning of the turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I'm guess I'm interested in seeing the entire codex and seeing what it entails. Logan will either grant the power at the beginning of the turn to one unit or decide on the power and take it with him, conferring it onto whichever unit he joins. Whether or not he can do this in the first turn if he is off-board, it will be interesting. I'm not sure it should matter as you would think the power wouldn't be granted until you "activate" his unit, but I think it will need some clarification by GW in an FAQ, either way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I'm guess I'm interested in seeing the entire codex and seeing what it entails. Logan will either grant the power at the beginning of the turn to one unit or decide on the power and take it with him, conferring it onto whichever unit he joins. Whether or not he can do this in the first turn if he is off-board, it will be interesting. I'm not sure it should matter as you would think the power wouldn't be granted until you "activate" his unit, but I think it will need some clarification by GW in an FAQ, either way. There are definetly some issues in the new Wolf dex that need a FAQ. Hopefully it comes sooner than the FAQ for the BA dex (still waiting). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucku Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The 1850 list (and hence models) I'm working on now are centered on Logan. At first I had a Wolf Priest and a Wolf Lord but determined that really Logan provided all the things I wanted from that pair (Preferred Enemy, Eternal Warrior, etc) for cheaper. Making WG into Troops (yes, 'counts as' :P ) sweetens the deal as suddenly the LR & dedicated WG Terminator Squad with him is now scoring. I have another very small WG squad that sits in a Rhino with a Rune Priest (Living Lightning, JOTWW) for securing a close objective and providing fire support . Supporting this are two more squads of GHs in Rhinos and two squads of LFs (HB & LC). It's aggressive, has lots of firepower and can dish it in close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180023-need-your-opinion-about-logan/#findComment-2131461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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