Lord Howland Greywolf Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Well, while I'm one to exploit such loopholes I wont be. I think what they meant was when you buy one you get the cheapest free. So Plasma= Plasma, Melter, Flamer Melter= Melter, Flamer Flamer= Flamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 no it means that if you have 10 guys you get one free. if it wanted you to pay for the second one it would have a points value. yes you can get a free plasma/melta. or you can have two plasma, two melta, or two flamers. there is no line that says you get the cheapest one free. you just get one free Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I realize that but then that's what there gonna FAQ it as later. because come on having a flamer and then a plasma for free is a bit cheesy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Grey Hunters have neever been able to take Heavy Weapons. Ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 it's certainly no more cheesy than getting a free flamer, then a free missile launcher, and then getting to combat squad. I think RAW is actually what was intended. Play it how you want, but I'm certainly not going to hamstring myself with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Lem Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 How far has it come with the world that something like this is regarded cheese ? :lol: Because two free weapons is so unfair! I mean it's not like the marines have the option, admittedly they need to be at ten men to claim either but they can combat squad, it's not cheese though, it's being intelligent, even though I double up on my plasma guns for my area denial hunters. Ok, the marines at 5 marines get a free Flamer. at 10, they are allowed a FREE ( no cost ) MultiMelta, Heavy Bolter, or Missle Launcher. And then they can combat squad. which means they can field a 5 man firebase with a heavy weapon, and use the flamer guys as an assualt team, or just to tie up the enemy longer and draw fire as the HW team mows them down. So yeah, we get a plasma... And we have to keep the whole pack together. Far trade if you ask me. Yah, that's not a loop hole. That's written out rather clearly, so why not take for free what we can get. Maybe the older Wolf Lords quarrel a little with the numbers in this example, so...why not bringing this to a more wolfy outlay: 1 Ale - for free ! If you bring the pack: 2 Ales ! - For Free ! W00t ! <_< Well...I would, myself, most likely go dual flamer or dual melta gun, but dual plasma gun can be quite sweet as well. On the the offside to that, I'm still contemplating about my squads' setup, seeing how I want a WGPL in them, but are going to lose that sweet, second special weapon if I want 'em to fit in a Rhino. - Baba Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Well, while I'm one to exploit such loopholes I wont be. I think what they meant was when you buy one you get the cheapest free. Seriously? Your going to limit your self because you think its a loophole? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I wouldn't be holding your breath for a FAQ to clear things up. From what I have been reading online and in WD issues, if an error is found ie: C:SM can have 12 in a drop pod when it should be 10, they will wait for the next re-write. So seeing that we waited 9-11 years since the last SW codex, don't look for any loop holes being closed anytime soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 its not a loop hole, teh codex in front of me makes it clear that you can have a free flamer and free plasma for squads of 10. been thinking about that free flamer and the additional long fang pack member....... how do you think this list would do against all comers? Rune priest, master of the runes, chooser of the slain, jaws of world wolf, tempests wrath 4x 6 grey hunters with flamer, power weapon and razorback 2x 6 grey hunters with melta gun, power weapon and razorback 6 long fangs, 4 heavy bolters 1 lascannon 6 long fangs, 2 missile launchers 1 plasma cannon, 2 heavy bolters 6 long fangs 1 lascannon, 2 missile launchers, 2 plasma cannon the long fangs should be safe from deep strikers due to tempests wrath, safe from infiltrators due to chooser of the slain, jaws of the world wolf should help out versus nid zilla and to a lesser degree daemon princes etc the razorbacks give a bit of mobility to the grey hunters, hopefully the smaller sized squads will do ok in assault due to all the heavy bolter shots and frag missiles flying about and a healthy dose of promethium on the way in. the long fangs have the potential to hurt enemy tanks but only really need to stun them while the rest of the army takes out the enemies troops. this is not intended to go up against a power list or whatever but be capable of winning and having fun at the same time, not bad for a few minutes work <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Grius Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Anyone who this this is cheese, clearly doesn't get out much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsmith Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I hadnt noticed about the wording of the squad options till I came across this thread this morning. Since then I've called mail order and spoken to Gareth. The answer I got was that the second weapon is free. Looks like all my hunter squads have just gone from twin melta squads to flamer/melta squads. Cheers Dan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 ... Heh. Really? If this is all the Cheese that folk can pull on the new Codex, it must be a really well-made codex. Grasping for straws here, mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2132942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 DERP. Seriously guys...this isn't cheese, it's not a huge deal. I honestly don't even think this deserves its own thread, and it definitely doesn't deserve a flamewar over it. The SW codex is NOT a cheesy book, we WILL be below codex marines in the tiers. Also, GH could have heavies in 1st and IIRC 2nd. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectre312 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Er... I seem to have caused some confusion with the GH heavy weapon thing... like Rokafort said, in 1st and 2nd they could, and in 3rd, you just gave a WGPL a heavy weapon, plopped him in, and tada! GH pack with heavy weapon support. Expensive... but hey, wolves always seem to be. I'll take two ales for free, great offer! And yes, I botched with C:sm 10 to get a flamer.... I don't read that codex often, especially now that ours is stand alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Er... I seem to have caused some confusion with the GH heavy weapon thing... like Rokafort said, in 1st and 2nd they could, and in 3rd, you just gave a WGPL a heavy weapon, plopped him in, and tada! GH pack with heavy weapon support. Expensive... but hey, wolves always seem to be. Only in 1st. Since 2nd Grey Hunters can't use heavies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Er... I seem to have caused some confusion with the GH heavy weapon thing... like Rokafort said, in 1st and 2nd they could, and in 3rd, you just gave a WGPL a heavy weapon, plopped him in, and tada! GH pack with heavy weapon support. Expensive... but hey, wolves always seem to be. I'll take two ales for free, great offer! And yes, I botched with C:sm 10 to get a flamer.... I don't read that codex often, especially now that ours is stand alone. No heavy weapons for Hunters in 2nd edition, and also WG Pack Leaders couldn't take Heavy Wepons in 3rd/4th. Did you seriously play it wrong for 9 years and nobody corrected you? Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 During the formation of the second edition codex they played a lot of games with rules similar to those they have now, where a wolf guard squad member could peel off and join a squad even if they were armed with a heavy weapon. However when they finalized the codex wolf gaurd squad leaders became a separate HQ choice and could only take terminator armour with storm bolters or melee weapons. In 1st edition Space Wolves were just grey marines led by a former Imperial Guard Commander who had a tank named after him. On topic. At ten models one of your special weapons is free. I'd always make it the most expensive option. You can of course only take one special weapon at ten models and then it is free too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 no its not. it says a SECOND grey hunter may replace his boltgun with.. you HAVE to have the first one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I stand corrected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2133921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Actually, when I had the codex in my hand and actually read the entry I understood it, and I know it makes me feel wrong, but it is so right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2134210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I stand corrected. how do i know you were standing? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2134279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 In 1st edition Space Wolves were just grey marines led by a former Imperial Guard Commander who had a tank named after him. Continued off-topic: Space Wolves were only just grey marines until they got their own army list in the Book of the Astronomicon. Also Leman Russ was never called an Imperial Guard Commander; in the Rogue Trader rulebook he was an Imperial Commander, critical in the forming of the Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180085-grey-hunter-cheese/page/2/#findComment-2134288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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