Captain Idaho Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Just reading through the fluff for the Thunderwolf Cavalry, and I have to say there is bit I just really don't like: Though the existance of the vid-steal is a well-guarded secret, no matter how often the Space Wolves deny the practice of riding beasts to war, rumours abound across the Fenris sector about the glorious charges of the Thunderwolf Cavalry. I have some questions I hoped the Rune Priests of fluff can tell me about the Space Wolves; Logically the Space Wolves have always been uncaring and untamed by outside influences, but this paragraph from the new Codex implies either shame or fear from them and to me, an Ultramarines player, that sounds nothing like how it should be about the fearless Sons of Russ! Have GW dropped the ball on this one? Or do people think this is just an example of a shrewd Chapter not wanting to start unneccessary conflict? What is the problem riding beasts of war to, um, war? Who cares, as long as they aren't riding Orks or Tyranids to war does it really matter? Just thought I would ask your opinions and whether you too are not too impressed by this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused_gordy Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I agree, very unwolfy. Heck my wolves don't have a problem with riding nids (infact i'm considering just that for at least one of my cavalry) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leman Of The Russ Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The thing is. It's just 'not done' amond the Adeptus Astartes. And they don't want to give the Inquisition ANOTHER reason to distrust them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Or do people think this is just an example of a shrewd Chapter not wanting to start unneccessary conflict?[*]What is the problem riding beasts of war to, um, war? I would agree with this, don't forget the SW's fierceness is second only to their cunning. It could also offer an opportunity of surprise in war. Who would think space marines would come charging in an monster wolves? Don't forget as well that the Inqusition is a pain in the SW's hairy :huh: , and any excuse would be good enough for those dweebs to put the pressue on, especially since the 1st war of Armegedddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 The thing is. It's just 'not done' amond the Adeptus Astartes. And they don't want to give the Inquisition ANOTHER reason to distrust them. Ah, so you would be on the side that says the Space Wolves are infact being shrewd with the Administratum and Inquisition? Still think it is un-like them, who famously opposed Gorge Vandire and his mighty army. I can see that is would be strange and unseemly for other Astartes to do this, but not so much for the Pups. The fact they are lying about it kinda sounds like Dark Angels secrets to me too, which I don't like. I always liked the Pups honesty, and this fluff addition doesn't fit that theme strangely. EDIT: Oh yeah, it does make sense to have the element of surprise, but it still doesn't sit well with me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 That's fairly simple. We just don't want anyone to stick their noses in our "beasts-of-war" research. The Thunderwolves are there just as a cover, the real project could result in us being accused of unnecessary cruelty to Carnifexes, Wraithlords, Krootoxes, Bloodthirsters and several Dark Angels (they look ridiculous with those saddles). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The thing is. It's just 'not done' amond the Adeptus Astartes. And they don't want to give the Inquisition ANOTHER reason to distrust them. Ah, so you would be on the side that says the Space Wolves are infact being shrewd with the Administratum and Inquisition? Still think it is un-like them, who famously opposed Gorge Vandire and his mighty army. I can see that is would be strange and unseemly for other Astartes to do this, but not so much for the Pups. The fact they are lying about it kinda sounds like Dark Angels secrets to me too, which I don't like. I always liked the Pups honesty, and this fluff addition doesn't fit that theme strangely. EDIT: Oh yeah, it does make sense to have the element of surprise, but it still doesn't sit well with me. It's not lying if they laugh at the question and offer you enough Fenrisian Ale to eat every brain cell and make you forget who you are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ya know, im not sure exactly where the line for acceptability is drawn. I had posted up some TWC conversion and one of my ideas was for a bionic chasis for legs/lower torso. I received quite a few posts saying that its wasn't wolfy (which I could or could not accept) but also that it was against the big I's bylaws. Yet it's perfectly acceptable for the space marines to shovel up Jim who got smoke by a plasma cannon but didn't die and shove him in a mechanical box so that he may fight on regardless of his wounds. Or how about those imperial guard rough riders? Hell Sanguineas had wings and was revered. Beast of burden have been used for thousands of years, why would it suddenly be heretical? (and from my perspective, why would something perfectly explainable and not a fantastic power of the warp invoke Inquisitorial wrath?) If anything all these new psycher powers should be more of a cause for concern than the use of a beast of burden as a mount. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 That's actually a great idea, and it would prolly cost about the same, mounting my Wolf Lord on a Carnifex. And its not shame, its military secrets man. Wouldn't want to ruin the surprise would we? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 i think this is meant to relate more to the common IG grunt/ citizen to whom marines are still mostly a myth and as such it is rumours and fireside stories that are told of them. it would be quite a cool story for a grizzled old vet, mustered out of theguard, to be telling his grandkids around the fire... ''i'll tell you a tale jimmy, of giants draped in fur and sitting astride giant wolf like creatures charging headlong into a dozen orks howling in rage.... now stop sitting there and get me a tea, i have a crossword to finish'' i'm not a massive fan of the inclusion of them to begin with, i could almost understand the inclusion of Wolfy McWolf-face and his giant wolf wiggles as a unique character but to include an entire unit of them takes away some of the character of what was otherwise a pretty iffy idea. as for the problem with riding them into battle, as far as im concerned i'd rather have the bulk and firepower of a marine bike than a wolf who will tire regardless of how large and savage it is... besides i think theyd need to be quite bionic to support the weight of giant in power armour (in fairness marines will weigh about the same as a small car, the wolf would be crushed as soon as he sat on it). i think the whole idea behind was a way to include a unique unit to our force (compared to C:SM we have no sternguard, vanguard, thunderfire cannons mastor of the forge) and is, at least in my opinion, a lazy idea. i would have thought wulfen as a fast attack choice would have gone down better with most players. still its here and we have to live with it :D as i say, i think that quote is meant to represent the view of the common grunt as opposed to other marines, as we all know there are many chapters who keep aspects of their operations secret (and not just the dress wearing ponces) and i see this as being part of the wolves quite insular nature about some of the more contentious choices they make (wulfen, non-codex organisation... massive fangs) just my opinion :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ya know, im not sure exactly where the line for acceptability is drawn. I had posted up some TWC conversion and one of my ideas was for a bionic chasis for legs/lower torso. I received quite a few posts saying that its wasn't wolfy (which I could or could not accept) but also that it was against the big I's bylaws. Yet it's perfectly acceptable for the space marines to shovel up Jim who got smoke by a plasma cannon but didn't die and shove him in a mechanical box so that he may fight on regardless of his wounds. Or how about those imperial guard rough riders? Hell Sanguineas had wings and was revered. Beast of burden have been used for thousands of years, why would it suddenly be heretical? (and from my perspective, why would something perfectly explainable and not a fantastic power of the warp invoke Inquisitorial wrath?) If anything all these new psycher powers should be more of a cause for concern than the use of a beast of burden as a mount. IMO it's not the beasts, it's the Space Wolves the Inquisition wants to hammer on a cross. Take the Salem witch hunting period. Any stupid, ridiculous excuse could be used to implicate a women of witchcraft. The same here. The Wolves just don't want to give the big I an excuse. I don't think the Inquisition really cares what they are riding as long as they are not demonic. With regards to your other tread, the posts were personal opinions which you are at liberty to reject or embrace, agree or disagree with. Don't let anyone influence you negatively. Remember its your army, and you have to enjoy playing with it not the other wolf brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leman Of The Russ Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 They could be doing it just to annoy the inquisition. Saying "We have secrets-investigate us if you dare!" As they, and the Inquisition know that if the Inquisition attacked a first founding chapter, then they might have a chapter riot on their hands. And having over 1,000,000 Space marines [not counting the Black Templars who are LEGION size] suddenly defect is NOT something which you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 That's actually a great idea, and it would prolly cost about the same, mounting my Wolf Lord on a Carnifex. And its not shame, its military secrets man. Wouldn't want to ruin the surprise would we? Welcome to the ranks of the Thunderfex Cavalry. It's secret, it's fun, it's probably illegal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leman Of The Russ Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hahahaha. Here's an idea-an Ork Looted Carnifex. Hollow it out and fit it with caterpillar tracks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemox Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Mount them on a winged Hive tyrant and they suddenly move 12" aswell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm going to be using the SW codex for my GK army, unlke the Daemonhunters get a new Codex in about 5 years.... For TWC I'm thinking or represneting them as GK on armoured Horses. So far, I've found a Bitz pack of Armoured Horses from the Warhammer range I hope will be adequate. Knights on horseback. The Inquisition be damned! :P (I also utterly love the idea of a Techmarine on/attached to a Mechanical horse. If only the legs of the Empire Engineer wasn't part of the Mechanical horse body... :( ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm just not sure if those horses should give you rending... I know that it's not nice to get smacked with a hoof but still... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Super tough, gene enchanced / bionic enchancd, uber Horses. Gifted to a GK GM/BC/Jusicar for some reason. Saving someone from a Daemon I expect. :P Not the pansies the Rough Riders use. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Now we're getting dangerously close to the Rending Pony. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Now we're getting dangerously close to the Rending Pony. :lol: How do I get one of those? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ohh daddy i want my "My Little Inquisitor pony" rending not included Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 thump thump thump thump Warhorse beats head on table and yells for more ale........QUICKLY! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 WE WANT THE RENDING PONY!!! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180172-thunderwolf-calvary-fluff-question/#findComment-2133799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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