Grimfoe Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I was doing a little light reading last night and I came across the section on independent characters in the small rule book. In the section detailing how IC's can be targeted during assault, it specifically states that IC's cannot be targeted separately if they have a retinue. This is not how my gaming group plays this rule. Sadly, I think we've lost this ability with our generic Wolf Lords (but we gained eternal warrior, so all's good) It then occurred to me. Arjac has eternal warrior and he is an upgrade character. While he'll be very good at hurting other IC's, he can't be targeted by them in return. He may finally be our answer for Abaddon. (along with a lot of help and some shooting prior to combat.....) What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ragnar is our answer to Abaddon ... Arjac is just the way to kill him. :P Also remember that nothing stops you from delibaratly assigning a wound to him. If you've got 1 Pfist wound and a bunch of regular hits, assign it to Arjac and even if he doesn'T save it, he's not dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I want to see how a squad with 4 Frost blades and a Mr. Rockfist fairs in CC. Anyone tried? I'll have to work it into my next game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Honestly, in CC it's going to eat most things it runs into. The problem isn't that: the problem is how many eggs you're putting in one basket. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 today i had the perfect fight with Arjac as he assaulted abaddon and 6 berzerkers along with 7 WG 5 in termi armor (SS/WC mostly ) he killed Abaddon easily much more easily than i could imagine . 5 attack always hit on 3+ with reroll to hits and 2+ to wound . bye bye abaddon ;) . Lucius was also in that squad lol . it was my 1st fight with new dex and i won in objective scenario with 1-0 . i think that Arjac is the answer to any IC and monstrous creature for 170 surely he worths every bit . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I actually was considering Arjac, 6 PA WG, 1 WG TDA in a drop pod. I haven't fugured out the points cost but I was thinking 3 WG with combi meltas 3 WG with frost blade 1 WG with cyclone missile launcher, storm shield, and some special CC weapon. This unit could drop 1st turn to hit any tank bust. After that you can allocate wounds to the "cheap" WGs first. Drop following the first round of shooting you have a nasty CC unit still alive that can do damage to anything, and it is right in the enemies face. What does everybody think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Ragnar is the CC answer to most things in the game. If you're taking something for the sheer CC value of things.. take Ragnar instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Ragnar dies on 1 turn. Pretty much every time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Ragnar dies on 1 turn. Pretty much every time. Well yes, if you put him on his own in the middle of the field, maybe... Even then, it's not a sure bet. Put him in a Rhino covered with Storm Caller and nine Blood Claws or Grey Hunters? He's a bit more survivable to be sure. Advance him on foot supported by 80 other Wolves, jumping from pack to pack as the pack he's in dies bit by bit? Much, MUCH more survivable. Ragnar only dies on first turn if you play like an absolute idiot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 It then occurred to me. Arjac has eternal warrior and he is an upgrade character. While he'll be very good at hurting other IC's, he can't be targeted by them in return. He may finally be our answer for Abaddon. (along with a lot of help and some shooting prior to combat.....) I have also been giving him a second look and plan to run a couple games with him. The other nicely tooled charater that enjoys the fact that he can't be targeted in CC is the IP. Take him and add 4 CW, 3 servitors, and a few upgrades for about 170 points. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Ragnar dies on 1 turn. Pretty much every time. Ragnar only dies on first turn if you play like an absolute idiot. Look Decoy, we agree again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Isnt Arjac like 170pts by himself.... Hes pretty pricey, so its no wonder hes survivable. Its a nice change of pace Id say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 188 points as a wolf guard needs to be upgraded to take him. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Yeah, so he better be as tough and killy as a Wolf Lord. I mean goodness sakes hes the Chapter/Legions Champion IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Nice little trick with Arjac: He is an upgrade for a Wolfguard pack. Nothing says that you can't put him out as a wolf guard pack leader He is strong enough to be able to turn a Blood claw or Grey hunter pack into a killing machine single handedly as really all he needs are ablative wounds. This way he becomes much more affordable than running him with a bunch of expensive wolf guard or even termies where he could become a bit of overkill. Put a cheap wolf priest with the pack so he gets preffered enemy and you'll have Abbaddon changing his pants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 If someone did take The Rock and a WP, how would stubborn and fearless work together? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Fearless would override Stubborn. Stubborn only means you don't take any penalties to Moral checks. With Fearless you don't take Moral checks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2133998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittenofdeath Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Yeah, so he better be as tough and killy as a Wolf Lord. I mean goodness sakes hes the Chapter/Legions Champion IIRC. i thought he was just grimnars champion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haroof Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Yeah, so he better be as tough and killy as a Wolf Lord. I mean goodness sakes hes the Chapter/Legions Champion IIRC. i thought he was just grimnars champion If he's Grimnar's champion, he'd probably be the Chapter Champion, since Grimnar is the Chapter Master. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 if Logan Decides to go fight along with his WG brothers , then i think that arjac have a place in that army. it should be one of the fluffiest list that could be possibly done <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 For 240pts, Ragnar is a toughness 4 model without Eternal Warrior. His skull gets caved in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirnir Ragefang Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Only if an enemy lives long enough to get through his inv. save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Nice little trick with Arjac: He is an upgrade for a Wolfguard pack. Nothing says that you can't put him out as a wolf guard pack leader He is strong enough to be able to turn a Blood claw or Grey hunter pack into a killing machine single handedly as really all he needs are ablative wounds. This way he becomes much more affordable than running him with a bunch of expensive wolf guard or even termies where he could become a bit of overkill. Put a cheap wolf priest with the pack so he gets preffered enemy and you'll have Abbaddon changing his pants. I can't wait to get my codex. I think this is brilliant and I'm interested in reading up on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 you must be terrible unlucky not to wipe out anything that he and his unit will assault . with a GH pack the unit will unleash from 30+ up to 50+ attacks in the enemy unit . not matter how hard that opponent my maybe the dices are still plenty . not to mention Furious charge and wolf Standard . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie2533 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Nice little trick with Arjac: He is an upgrade for a Wolfguard pack. Nothing says that you can't put him out as a wolf guard pack leader He is strong enough to be able to turn a Blood claw or Grey hunter pack into a killing machine single handedly as really all he needs are ablative wounds. This way he becomes much more affordable than running him with a bunch of expensive wolf guard or even termies where he could become a bit of overkill. Put a cheap wolf priest with the pack so he gets preffered enemy and you'll have Abbaddon changing his pants. can anyone confirm if this is possible? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/#findComment-2134152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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