SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Wiping out a unit in 1 turn isn't a good thing in 5th Edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 well should be legal but the point is since he is not an IC the stubborn rule would it work on a pack of GH for example ? . basically the use of Arjac isn't to boost the pack with abilities , is simple to destroy with very good chances any IC character (vulkan here we come :blush:) or a monstrous creature even with c'tan you still have very good chances . but remember that you need masses behind him to absorb dmg . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 you must be terrible unlucky not to wipe out anything that he and his unit will assault . with a GH pack the unit will unleash from 30+ up to 50+ attacks in the enemy unit . not matter how hard that opponent my maybe the dices are still plenty . not to mention Furious charge and wolf Standard . All it takes is a Dark Eldar Archon with a shadowfield really. Or a Greater Daemon of Khorne. Maybe a Broodlord. Or did they make Ragnar initiative 7? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I6 on the charge due to Furious Charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 i doubt that Archon can kill ragnar in 1 turn in a CC in normal circumstances . besides we all know that archon and his retinue is one of the best cc units , we still have good possibilities. the thing is that Arjac in that kind of fights maybe much more effective. ragnar is a monster too but the best part of him is to assault not to be assaulted so ragnar along with his pack might need a LR too . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Anyone with a Power Fist can kill Ragnar, if they are still alive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Anyone with a Power Fist can kill Ragnar, if they are still alive. If you charge him into base to base with a model that has a powerfist, without being 120% sure that you will wipe them out in one turn of combat. you deserve to be spanked. as mentioned, it's not always the best thing to take units out in one turn of cc. this is one of the things we will have to get right if we plan to use Ragnar properly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 One tactic I've found useful when I'm sure that I will wipe out a unit in one assault is to use the unit's ride (best with LRR or LR), to block line of sight. Roll around a target, blocking line of sight to enemies in range. Then charge out of the Land Raider kill the unit, wait till your next movement phase and repeat. I've used this with Arjac, Ragnar, and Grimnar and it has kept them from blowing through a enemy and being out in the open. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammon Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 @SamaNagol As I recall none of our Heroes or HQ choices had Eternal Warrior or even had access to an Adamantium Cloak (Or whatever the Vanilla SM's wargear was called) in our last codex. Now that Logan has it, I consider time to celebrate! We played against worse than just Powerfists and it seems like we still managed to win. So why is it an issue that we still don't have it on most of our heroes, I mean, if we never had it to begin with? Its something we have been playing with for years. This codex actually has me achin' to purchase some more heroes for my SWs. I have a model that could stand in for Arjac (a Chaos Termie Lord with severe battle damage SS+TH). He is going to hit the field against my buddy's ork hoard. Ulrik the Slayer, which I have had for an age will finally be thrown in. I think I will pick up the new SW Pack box set and remodel my WG and WL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 He didn't cost 240pts, that's why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I assume we still need opponents permission to play the Special Toons? And most tournaments do not support the Special characters anyway... but that is getting away from Arjac. Is his cost 170 or 188? I am certain it is 188 but in the first page of the thread only one person supported that notion and the other posters seemed to think he was 170pts. I would really like to know if we can take him as a pack leader, though I suspect that if we in RAI then it will be FAQed fast. - seems like we are going to have the largest FAQ out of everyone! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
volfbjorn Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I assume we still need opponents permission to play the Special Toons? And most tournaments do not support the Special characters anyway... but that is getting away from Arjac. Is his cost 170 or 188? I am certain it is 188 but in the first page of the thread only one person supported that notion and the other posters seemed to think he was 170pts. I would really like to know if we can take him as a pack leader, though I suspect that if we in RAI then it will be FAQed fast. - seems like we are going to have the largest FAQ out of everyone! as long as i am aware Special characters can play in every GT tournament. moreover in ETC only 4-5 chars are banned so :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 He is +170pts. That means u have to pay 18pts for a bog standard Wolf Guard, and then pay 170 on top of that to upgrade 1 Wolf Guard model to Arjac Rockfist. So 188 in total. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I assume we still need opponents permission to play the Special Toons? And most tournaments do not support the Special characters anyway... but that is getting away from Arjac. Is his cost 170 or 188? I am certain it is 188 but in the first page of the thread only one person supported that notion and the other posters seemed to think he was 170pts. I would really like to know if we can take him as a pack leader, though I suspect that if we in RAI then it will be FAQed fast. - seems like we are going to have the largest FAQ out of everyone! Coverfire, He is 188 total (a 170 point upgrade to an 18 point Wolf Guard). No Special Characters in any of the recent codices require opponents permission, and all are tournament approved (local tournaments could make their own restrictions, however). Arjac can be allocated to lead another Pack, just like any other Wolf Guard. No FAQ required. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180196-arjac-rockfist/page/2/#findComment-2134796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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