Yeti Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I finally got to sit down with the new codex last week and while coming up an army list, I was surprised to see how much our HQs cost. For example, my Wolf Lord, Belt of Russ, Frostblade and Saga of he Warrior Born comes in at 185 pts ... almost 65 pts more than what he used to cost with similar equipment. Admitedly, he now has a nifty saga ( B) ) and slightly better stats ... but I still find it a steep price to pay. Add in a Rune Priest w/Chooser and a Wolf Priest w/Tooth necklace, I've got over 400 pts invested into 3 HQs, quite a bit for a 1700pts list. What are you running as HQs and what does it cost you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Sureblade Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Well, you should probably start by dropping down the number of HQs you have on the board. Pick one, and stick with it. Wolves are finally allowed to not have to have 1 HQ ever 750 points (or part thereof), I suggest you take it as a suggestion and put some of those points into more useful things. 1 HQ is all you need for now. But that's just me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 thats npthing, my wolf lord in a game against orks recently cost me 230 pts, termie armour, thunder hammer, storm shield, wolf tooth necklace, wolf tail talisman (i was worried about zogwort turning him into a squig) and saga of the bear... he cost a lot, but more than made his points back so it depends... they are special character pts cost with sagas, but they are definately effective Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I think you can do pretty much everything you could have in a vanilla Lord better for the points with a SC, but I understand people who don't want to use them. I would say spending more than 300pts in HQ is too much in general for 1500pts. 400 for 1750 and 500 for 2000. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 To be honest, I liked the HQ choices in the old codex better, but that was mostly because of 3 AC drop pod cheese. B) Currently I'm not sure what I'm running with the new book. Currently looking at the three Wolf Lords (Logan, Ragnar, vanilla) and a possible rune priest (or a lone RP). The Wolf Priest isn't too bad either, but not as good as expected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Before I never took Wolf Lords, now theyll probly be very common. What I miss most about the old codex, bar nothing, is the Vendread HQs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForTheLion Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 It seems that our chapters have mpre in common that meets the eye fellow wolves :) Much more expensive then those ultra smurfs, but oh so much better and fluffier!Anyway its 1st october so congratz on the new codex, i jst cheked out The Wolf King and he costs more than a land raider! Sheesh! Anyway, go forth and spill the blood of the Heretic, the mutant and the alien! For the Emperor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 If your running between 150 and 200 HQ in a 1750 list, I would suggest the only other character to take would be a Iron Priest with retinue or an upgrade special character, these guys run expensive of themselves but you can hide them in units and rely on them to get their points back. Over 200 and I would only run either a generic RP or WP. With a IC running over 200, a ugly fluke of the dice may kill them off in turn 2, at that point it's tough to get their points back and a large part of your battle plan is broken. So yeah great for 1 hard core HQ, but not good for two. Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 To be honest, I liked the HQ choices in the old codex better, but that was mostly because of 3 AC drop pod cheese. :) Currently I'm not sure what I'm running with the new book. Currently looking at the three Wolf Lords (Logan, Ragnar, vanilla) and a possible rune priest (or a lone RP). The Wolf Priest isn't too bad either, but not as good as expected. Think of the Wolf Priest as combat drugs for a unit of Blood Claws. That's pretty much his only use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 Thanks for the comments. Seems I'm not that far off. I don't want to drop the other HQs though. The rune priest will be providing fire support for a Plasma GH pack and the Wolf Priest will be babysitting some blood claws and giving them a nice little re-roll to hit ... don't want the kids to loose their punch. :) What I miss most about the old codex, bar nothing, is the Vendread HQs. Can't argue with that! I thought about one in my current list ... but he costs even more than my Wolf Lord. I'm also gonna miss the butt-whoopings my Rune/Wolf priests used to hand out in CC ... getting knocked down to 2A really hurts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2134994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 My Wolf Lord with frost blade, belt of Russ, wolf tooth necklace and bike runs at 195 points without a Saga. Were I to take the Saga that appeals the most (warrior born) he would be 230. The only other HQ I can see taking is a Wolf Priest with jump pack to babysit my Skyclaws. Those kids can't be trusted on their own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 i plan on useing Logan or Canis most of the time..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 I see that a lot of you are putting Wolf Tooth Necklaces on your Wolf Lords. Why? With WS6 he'll be hitting on 3+ 80% of the time anyways and thing that have WS6+ should be dealt with using PFists either for the Instakill or because they're really tough. Do you use your WLs to kill other caracters? To hunt MCs? I would assume the PFists/THammers are essential in this role? I use mine mostly to kill troops, clear out most of a squad, leaving my PFists to take care of any caracters that might be hidden inside. MCs are lascannon/plasma bait. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 The only other HQ I can see taking is a Wolf Priest with jump pack to babysit my Skyclaws. Those kids can't be trusted on their own. No kidding. Ive tried the new skyclaws with and without a wolf priest against my khorne buddy. without equaled dead skyclaws, with equaled 10 dead 'zerkers 5 dead havocs :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keercrevlis Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I agree that the VEN Dread HQ loss sucks. You can no longer run two dreads, a squad of WG, and Scouts. I have to change my whole army now to accomadate for the loss of a ven dread. Use to run a WGBL, RP, & VEN Dread. Now I have to drop either my scouts or a dread. Because of the HQ pts increase I will probably keep my RP & turn the WL I was building into a WGBL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Well my new WL costs aprrox 225pts. He has TDA, 2 TH, Wolf Tooth Necklace, and Saga of the Bear. Amazing in CC and near invunerable but costs a bomb. Ejil Ironwolf would cost alot anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 This will be tricky for me to figure out until I get a few games in. I've come up with 2 lists...one has one HQ (logan) the other has two 240( but that is with storm shield, saga of the bear and on a bik...pretty resilient and still kille)y bike lord and Canis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I'm also gonna miss the butt-whoopings my Rune/Wolf priests used to hand out in CC ... getting knocked down to 2A really hurts. Not as much as getting old and slow at I 4. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I see that a lot of you are putting Wolf Tooth Necklaces on your Wolf Lords. Why? With WS6 he'll be hitting on 3+ 80% of the time anyways and thing that have WS6+ should be dealt with using PFists either for the Instakill or because they're really tough. Do you use your WLs to kill other caracters? To hunt MCs? I would assume the PFists/THammers are essential in this role? I use mine mostly to kill troops, clear out most of a squad, leaving my PFists to take care of any caracters that might be hidden inside. MCs are lascannon/plasma bait. B) That's a good point. I suppose harking back to the previous edition where WS5 was far more common we've just taken them as a matter of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Sureblade Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yeah, Wolf Tooth Necklaces are pretty unnecessary in most cases now. I wouldn't worry about using one unless you absolutely know you're going to run into someone you'll be fighting who has a better WS than you, and that won't be much. The lost of the Ven Dread from the HQ does come as a problem but you also don't have to take as many HQs . I'm not sure what the best choice for the two Elite choices would be though. Ven Dreads are downright awesome 95% of the time, Wolf Guard are almost a requirement for putting a leash on Blood Claws, so fielding a few to be squad leaders plus enough for a squad would be nice, and that leaves the Scouts looking less tactical unless you know you're fighting someone who'll be sitting back on their table edge and you need to get in there and take them out. If you got more than 1 Blood Claw packs, you're going to want those Wolf Guard 'leashes'. If you're fighting Iggies or Artillery, you're going to want those scouts. If you've playing against anyone, you probably want that Ven Dread. And as for the normal Dread, Iron Priest, and Lone Wolves... those are probably going to be on a need-to-use basis. But, if you ABSOLUTELY want a Ven Dread without sacrificing those Elite Slots for something else... get yourself Bjorn and call it a day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Ill take a WTN on any WL or character who has the option to, if Im taking saga of the Beastslayer. Because nothing sounds better to me than hitting a Bloodthirster on a 3++ with my thunderhammer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 i take a Wolf Tooth Necklace for 2 reasons, firstly i have modelled them on all my characters, secondly i like to play it safe... nothing worse (especially without master-crafted weapons) when you fluff the majority of your attacks against big gribbly things. i know most of the time its unnecessary but hey, they look dam cool and i'll pay 10pts just for that fact Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2135967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nemiel Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The only other HQ I can see taking is a Wolf Priest with jump pack to babysit my Skyclaws. Those kids can't be trusted on their own. Made me chuckle big time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2138080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectre312 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I finally decided that I couldn't handle not having a Ven Dread HQ and broke down and started using Special characters... thus, Bjorn now has an honour guard. Of course, being that bjorns on the table. I reconcile that with not putting any bloodclaws out with him under 1500 as a nod to my idea of the fluff being Bjorn probably doesn't deal with babysitting and the bloodclaws antics too well. BS6 plasma cannon? yes please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2138097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantinel Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I am now trying out to put in as many bodies in my list as possible, bringing only cheap HQ's - Rune and Wolf Priests, with nearly any extra wargear. Trough Ragnar or Grimnar are really good in close combat, for the same points you basically get one full squad of GH and a Wolf Priest, which is quite a difference. In my opinion if you are going for min/max lists, this is a way to go, but can't support it with some serious results now, as it's too early as the codex just came out. Will keep you updated ;-) Currently I am playing a lot of Grey Hunters in Rhinos, Skyclaws and Swiftclaws for some offensive meelee punch and a lot of Long Fangs and Scouts. As I mentioned a lot of bodies out to grind and tear ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/#findComment-2138187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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