rodgers37 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 i think its silly making a wolf lord cost over 200pts, when for another 20-70pts you can get one who has lots extra special abilities, a rune priest costing between 100-150 will be ok ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2138248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 I'm also gonna miss the butt-whoopings my Rune/Wolf priests used to hand out in CC ... getting knocked down to 2A really hurts. Not as much as getting old and slow at I 4. Yeah ... thanks for reminiding me ... ;) I am now trying out to put in as many bodies in my list as possible, bringing only cheap HQ's - Rune and Wolf Priests, with nearly any extra wargear. Trough Ragnar or Grimnar are really good in close combat, for the same points you basically get one full squad of GH and a Wolf Priest, which is quite a difference. Yeah, that's my problem too ... especially since I like running mechanised lists. I'm trying out a mostly footsloggers list with only 2 rhinos and a vindi. It has 55 bodies, which ain't bad for 1700pts. But my pred and whirlie are calling to me and will likely be re-integrated into my list once they get painted ... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2138257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Well, I came to realize that a Lone Wolf with TDA, Storm Shield and TH does the same job, and better than a Wolf Lord or WG Battle Leader for half the price. 85 points. You still strike with I 1, but you get free feel no pain, eternal warrior and fearless. Alright, your guy is alone, but still. Even Arjac seems awesome for his point cost. 170 points, and you get +1 attack while charging and stubborn? Looks fine to me, and somehow equivalent (except for the wound of additionnal saga) to a lord or battle leader in terms of efficiency. A rune priest will always be present, mainly to protect my wolves from enemy psychic. A wolf priest is still excellent to hold your line. I usually stick him in a Grey Hunter unit and a Saga of the Wolkin, so that my Fenrisian wolves become real threats to my eldar/marines opponents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2138300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosPhoenix Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well, I came to realize that a Lone Wolf with TDA, Storm Shield and TH does the same job, and better than a Wolf Lord or WG Battle Leader for half the price. 85 points. You still strike with I 1, but you get free feel no pain, eternal warrior and fearless. Alright, your guy is alone, but still. Even Arjac seems awesome for his point cost. 170 points, and you get +1 attack while charging and stubborn? Looks fine to me, and somehow equivalent (except for the wound of additionnal saga) to a lord or battle leader in terms of efficiency. A rune priest will always be present, mainly to protect my wolves from enemy psychic. A wolf priest is still excellent to hold your line. I usually stick him in a Grey Hunter unit and a Saga of the Wolkin, so that my Fenrisian wolves become real threats to my eldar/marines opponents. Why don't you take a Chainfist and Stormshield. It's more bang for the buck, atleast against Vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2139666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 What are you running as HQs and what does it cost you? I would run the following (not all in 1 game, but they would be there to be swapped and changed around if/when required) Wolf Lord Frost Blade Belt of russ 150pts or add bike/jump pack if he joins a corresponding unit 175/185pts I wouldn't bother with runic armour usually unless I have the points to spare, if he gets hit in close combat its gonna be with weapons that ignore saves anyway most likely, and I would have him in large units of men, so there hopefully would never be enough wounds caused to reach him until very late on. and I won't bother with terminator armour, since I can't have a frost weapon, and no sagas either, I prefer to have cheap HQ's Runic priest Terminator armour Chooser of the slain 130pts He would go with the terminators obviously, to give a little extra punch, powers would depends on my mood and what I want to do against my opponent both offensively and defensively and lastly a wolf priest, with nothing extra, maybe a jump pack if I decide to use Skyclaws, and thats it, nothing more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2139901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I'm quite happy with the price of my Wolf Lord. Frost Blade, Storm Shield, a Thunderwolf, and Warrior Born for 200. It's a little pricey, but he end's up with a 12" charge and Strength 6 rending attacks. I'm also thinking about using a couple of Wolf Priests to babysit my Blood Claw packs, who will be riding in Land Raider Crusaders. The only HQ I'm not so sure about is the Rune Priests. Jaws of the World Wolf is a pretty impressive power, but I'm not sure if I really can justify paying those points for an HQ that I'm tempted to leave in the backfield to hang out with the Long Fangs because of his low attacks. Also, though they aren't technically an HQ, Iron Priests sure seem to be worth those points, mounted or not. I'm very tempted to take 2, and maybe put them on bikes with wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2140017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Also, though they aren't technically an HQ, Iron Priests sure seem to be worth those points, mounted or not. I'm very tempted to take 2, and maybe put them on bikes with wolves RAW is against wolves being able to move 12" as wargear, lets hope for a FAQ in our favor on this. You might however consider him with a full crew in a LRR with EA and MM. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 In an 1850 force org build in which my local stores build and field for battles. I'd only take two HQ's at a max of 500 points used any more is most likely a waist unless its really good. Anyhow The choices I am taking for my 1850 force for HQ's is Canis Wolfborn with two pets. (I do plan on fielding Fenrisian wolves as troops) 205pts My next choice is a Wolf Lord 100 Frost Blade 25 Storm shield 30 Runic Armor 20 ThunderWolf mount 45 2 Fenrisian wolves 20 Saga of Warrior born (or) Bear 35 Total Points: 275 This covers a 2+ armor save, +3 invul save, +5 ward vs phsyc powers Covers all the bases for a few points. In addition the improvements that the thunderwolf mount provides makes him a lot tougher. So... Put these two leaders in a 5man TWC group with P-fist and have tones of fun. =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 a sw lord can be as many points as you want mine are way over 250 points, my sw force will be so small but filled with hard hitting hqs, that will die gloriously I wont win many games but who cares Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 In an 1850 force org build in which my local stores build and field for battles. I'd only take two HQ's at a max of 500 points used any more is most likely a waist unless its really good. Anyhow The choices I am taking for my 1850 force for HQ's is Canis Wolfborn with two pets. (I do plan on fielding Fenrisian wolves as troops) 205pts My next choice is a Wolf Lord Frost Blade Storm shield Runic Armor ThunderWolf mount 2 Fenrisian wolves Saga of Warrior born (or) Bear Total Points: 275 This covers a 2+ armor save, +3 invul save, +5 ward vs phsyc powers Covers all the bases for a few points. In addition the improvements that the thunderwolf mount provides makes him a lot tougher. So... Put these two leaders in a 5man TWC group with P-fist and have tones of fun. =) might want to take the vaalues out fella ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corver Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 For my next game I'm taking 2 in a 1700pts list a WL with termi armour/Cmelta and warrior saga and wolf priest with wolf kin. for 15 pts all my 24 wolves are Ld7 I5 take that Blood angels, you want to furious charge me, well i get 37 attacks at the same time as you! And thats if you charge me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I wrote out an Einherjar list (Logan + a horde of Wolf Guard) and then screwed it up after I bought 2 boxes of Wolf guard termies on Monday. I'm a 'fluff' player always have been, it's the reason i still struggled on with all0Grey knight armies. My Wolf Lord is Eirik Xenobane TDA, 2x Wolf Claws, Belt of Russ, saga of the bear, wolf tooth necklace. 230 points of badass Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I was wondering this as well. I've always loved HQ's and would fill all 4 slots with them if I could. What I want to know is at what points cost can you start considering guys like Grimnar and Njal? I was contemplating both for a "fun/competitive" list at 2500 but I am worried that would be to much HQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I was wondering this as well. I've always loved HQ's and would fill all 4 slots with them if I could. What I want to know is at what points cost can you start considering guys like Grimnar and Njal? I was contemplating both for a "fun/competitive" list at 2500 but I am worried that would be to much HQ. Unfortunately you can't actualy have Logan and Njal, both have the same saga. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2141996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 According to page 64, second paragraph of the new dex the "Not having the same saga" rules does not apply to special characters. As those characters have their own sagas and epic tales. Sagas are a way to make your HQs a little bit more fluffy and add some serious advantages. I'm still a fan of Warrior Born. I think I'll try a WL with 2 Thunder Hammers, Belt of Russ, and Runic Armor. 6 Attacks on the charge, if I'm equiping him right, and anything he kills he gets another attack from? Delicious! Heres a question. Under the Venerable Dreadnought section, you can pick Saga of Majesty. Since they are walkers and not characters, do they get to double up on this saga? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180290-how-much-is-too-much/page/2/#findComment-2142027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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