New GK Codex anytime soon?

[templargdt]

Just as the question says. They have said from what I've read on the rumor mills "It's going to be done, but the Inquisition is at the back of the list."

 

It's a little frustrating to me to see the Tyranids being redone with so many older armies in need of an update. I understand the economics involved, but I think it's a bit of a self fulfilling prophesy putting off redoing old armies because they don't sell well.

 

When do you guys think we'll see a new codex? My money is 2013, right before 6th edition comes out.

[revnow]

It's actually not that big of a deal, Sisters and the Ordo Malleus both have multiple competitive builds for 5th Edition. This is not at all the case for Nids, a 3rd of there Codex doesn't even make sense in the current rules. I hate to say it, but they need one before us. Same with DE, Crons, and dare I say it ? even Tau. Besides it's kind of fun having people scoff when you say you play DH and then cram GKTs down their throat on turn 2. :ph34r:

[wizard12]

It's actually not that big of a deal, Sisters and the Ordo Malleus both have multiple competitive builds for 5th Edition. This is not at all the case for Nids, a 3rd of there Codex doesn't even make sense in the current rules. I hate to say it, but they need one before us. Same with DE, Crons, and dare I say it ? even Tau. Besides it's kind of fun having people scoff when you say you play DH and then cram GKTs down their throat on turn 2. :D

 

I've seen the tau codex and I don't really think it needs redoing

 

anyway, GK's and Sisters are not going to be top of GWs to do list. keeping in mind that we are a rather small minority to the rest of the WH world. though it would be nice to see some rules for us GKs that acturly work against daemons and can acturly hurt them

[Inquisitor Gabriel Lupus]

Personally I'd actually like to see Dark Eldar redone as soon as possible. I think there's loads of scope for them to do some really groovy things with the race now and it would be nice to see their models have a good old revamp. after that, I think Necrons would be the next option - alot of people say they are really poor in 5th ed, but I find alot of rather obvious builds to be far too powerful and in either case, I think it would be more interesting to give them more troops choices.

 

I find Tau and Tyranids to b perfectly acceptable currently and can't really understand why either race would desperately "need" a codex. But then from what I've heard, the Tyranid codex is going to be reasonably soon - so there must be a reason...

 

In my opinion, although the Inquisition codices are "older", I don't think they really desperately deserve a new codex yet (and I actually use DH and WH). The only real gripe I have with the Inquisition armies is the cash price - metal models make my wallet very anorexic!

[Amit]

I agree with some of the comments here; there are other codicies that need to be updated (DE Necrons being the most obvious). Not sure about Tau - maybe a tweak/FAQ (I wont hold my breath though). I would love Deamonhunters/Wtchhunters to be done - but to be honest I am happy to wait - hopefully being on the end of the update list GW will get it right (???) ... Besides the GKs are some if not best metal range models in 40K. IMHO. So I may not play with them in games but I am happy to collect and paint the current range (finances permitting).

[ArmouredWing]

I agree with some of the comments here; there are other codicies that need to be updated (DE Necrons being the most obvious). Not sure about Tau - maybe a tweak/FAQ (I wont hold my breath though). I would love Deamonhunters/Wtchhunters to be done - but to be honest I am happy to wait - hopefully being on the end of the update list GW will get it right (???) ... Besides the GKs are some if not best metal range models in 40K. IMHO. So I may not play with them in games but I am happy to collect and paint the current range (finances permitting).

Looks like Tau may be lining up for a Kelly power up by some accounts. Deep, deep joy!!!

 

I do have to say that I'm pretty comfortable with the Sisters at the moment and I'd actually fear any changes to their rules because i could see it seriously affecting their AoF, the one thing that really sets them apart.

 

GK's however really do need something to pep them up and an update to the rules for inquisitors, IST's and other associated =][= choices would be good to make them a viable option in their own right (IG ST rules and improved shotguns would be an excellent place to start).

[Gibious]

A red shirt did mention an inquisition codex, but I ignored him. Didn't want to get my hopes up...

 

-Gib-

[ArmouredWing]

A red shirt did mention an inquisition codex, but I ignored him. Didn't want to get my hopes up...

 

-Gib-

Truly, there is nothing on the horizon whatsoever for the forces of the =][=. I'd have to reckon that, after the last 3 imperial codex releases it time for some non-imperial releases to even the balance a little. We know nids is next, I'd guess that after them it's gonna be at least tau, necrons, chaos legions and DE before we even get a sniff of anything inquisition related.

[Hackbar]

Depending on which GW store manager I talk to, I hear anywhere from early next year to 2-3 years from now. Of course, their rumors are so all-over-the-place that I don't know what to trust anymore. One of them told me True Grit was changed to something different (SW can rapid fire and still charge, I think he said) when I asked him about Space Wolves. Far as I can tell it's not there anymore at all.

[satanaka]

It's actually not that big of a deal, Sisters and the Ordo Malleus both have multiple competitive builds for 5th Edition. This is not at all the case for Nids, a 3rd of there Codex doesn't even make sense in the current rules. I hate to say it, but they need one before us. Same with DE, Crons, and dare I say it ? even Tau. Besides it's kind of fun having people scoff when you say you play DH and then cram GKTs down their throat on turn 2. :woot:

 

I've seen the tau codex and I don't really think it needs redoing

 

 

 

Really? Since when was there target priority in 5th ed.? :devil:

[guillaume]

The forces of inquisition do and do not need a new codex.

 

As they stand, WH or DH-only armies can struggle in the face of the newer 5th ed codeces. For the purpose of separate codeces, then I would say YES, both DH and WH need a revamp.

 

However, having recently played with a mixed DH and WH force and having done reasonably well, I must say that we don't need any help thank you very much anyway...We can get fast units, cheap troops, awesome troops, and most of the weapons needed to do just about any job.

 

The true force of the INQ is in mixed armies. After all, a DH-only army has the following:

 

3HQ choices; 1 troop choices; 5 elite choices; 1 fast choice and 5 heavy choices. Not shabby, but still restricted.

 

Add INQ units and WH units to the mix, and you now have:

 

6HQ choice; 3 troop choices; 8 elite choices; 3 fast choices; and 9 heavy choices (although this is restricted as a player cannot take allied heavies).

 

So, onward to a new era of the Inquisition, the "UNIFICATION".

[heretic??ME??]

A decent FAQ would sort out a lot of the problems we have. Hopefully GW is looking over forums and taking notes. Its along way away. The high price tag of inquisition armies are gonna put off kids and parents, when did you last go into GW? Whats the ratio of adults to kids?

 

Looking at the simplification of the recent codex's its likely that a new codex is going to down play a lot of the options that we have. With lack of a Xenos codex I put money in a CODEX INQUISITION coming out in a couple of years. Blood Angels next, Dark Eldar will probably gonna get nerfed IMO. Necrons 1 year. CSM Legions probably won't happen until the next crusade so maybe a codex "insert campaign/planet" with multiple army selections geared up to sell off stuff like eye of terror or Armageddon . The only thing on our side is the Daemon Codex being out, it needs its counter balance and what better than the Grey Knights??

[morcus]

I ad my vote for a new dark eldar army. The DE Codex has to be the oldest codex that is still current and many rules changes have serriously hampered them (Fleet is no where near as usefull).

 

Think your self lucky that your prefered branch of the ordos has a codex, I've been waiting for a xenos codex for years and I'm probably never going to see one.

 

Also, you still get to have hellguns for your IST if you use them whilst IG storm troopers have lost them for a shorter range weapon (So you've payed for a shooty unit with extra BS only to have to get them in close to be able to shoot).

[KhorneHunter57x]

I think that the reason the =][= have not gotten new codexes is because you can field Marines (recently updated) and IG (just updated) with them.

 

The Tau need a new codex because a great deal of their stuff only works in 4th ed.

 

The 'Nids need one for the same reason.

 

The Necrons need one because they can't kill tanks now.

 

The Blood Angels and Black Templars need codexes because redoing them is as easy as just writing the codex (no minis needed).

 

The three armys that need new minis are the =][=, the DE, and the Necrons. My guess is that they do DE 1st, Necrons second, =][= third, and use the "just add new codex" armies as filler.

 

I think the reason there are so few kids playing =][= is because it really goes deep into the grimdark aspect of 40k (Daemonhosts, Eversor Assassins, the Adversarys rules, etc.)

[morcus]

A decent -][- army is small, expensive and time consuming, which puts people off.

[jakehunter52]

Truly, there is nothing on the horizon whatsoever for the forces of the =][=.

 

:) Cause Andy Hoare was working on them till he left GW and so Phil Kelly had to take up them up after he got done with Space Wolves.

 

A red shirt did mention an inquisition codex, but I ignored him. Didn't want to get my hopes up...

 

-Gib-

 

It is generally a good policy to ignore them. They usually know less that what is floating on the web.

[Archon_77]

I ad my vote for a new dark eldar army. The DE Codex has to be the oldest codex that is still current and many rules changes have serriously hampered them (Fleet is no where near as usefull).

 

Think your self lucky that your prefered branch of the ordos has a codex, I've been waiting for a xenos codex for years and I'm probably never going to see one.

 

Also, you still get to have hellguns for your IST if you use them whilst IG storm troopers have lost them for a shorter range weapon (So you've payed for a shooty unit with extra BS only to have to get them in close to be able to shoot).

 

 

Too bad there are now some tournaments out there that disallow allies. The recent BoLScon comes to mind....

[ArmouredWing]

Truly, there is nothing on the horizon whatsoever for the forces of the =][=.

 

<_< Cause Andy Hoare was working on them till he left GW and so Phil Kelly had to take up them up after he got done with Space Wolves.

I hope you're right about this, I really do, but from the odds and ends I've heard it's Tau time for Mr Kelly.

[Drahazar]

yes redo the DE and Necrons im telling ya when I bring out my Necrons killing tanks is annoying even dreads. I have to strip them of everything and then hit them again to destroy them to get any kill points. I have done fairly well comeing in 4th in the latest tourney at my shop out of 21 people. But Anti Tank is not that good right now and the DE well its just bad for them.

 

Wish they would just FAQ the price's for the GK and WH.

[jakehunter52]

<_< Cause Andy Hoare was working on them till he left GW and so Phil Kelly had to take up them up after he got done with Space Wolves.

I hope you're right about this, I really do, but from the odds and ends I've heard it's Tau time for Mr Kelly.

Well, that's the first I've heard of it. I guess we'll see next year since he is not writing DE (at UK GD, Phil was saying how he would really like to work on the DE codex because he was quite proud of his Eldar dex and wanted to "finish the story"). Best bet would be to be on the lookout for when Beasts of Chaos come out since that was the other project Andy Hoare was working on.

 

Wish they would just FAQ the price's for the GK and WH.

*Italian accent* Forget about it! When Kelly was asked about the DA stormshields, he expressed to the extent of, "Yeah, it sucks and they should have the same wargear. But we, as in GW and not necessarily my personal opinion, don't want consumers buying the codex and then later finding out they need an FAQ to play correctly."

[number6]

Wish they would just FAQ the price's for the GK and WH.

*Italian accent* Forget about it! When Kelly was asked about the DA stormshields, he expressed to the extent of, "Yeah, it sucks and they should have the same wargear. But we, as in GW and not necessarily my personal opinion, don't want consumers buying the codex and then later finding out they need an FAQ to play correctly."

That is such BS. You need the FAQs as it is!

 

And furthermore, making the game this way only causes players to scratch their heads and wonder <_< is up with the variant wargear! And they didn't help themselves with the new SW codex having the "old" capacities for land raiders and drop pods.

 

Sigh.

[Gentlemanloser]

Exactly. ;)

 

And with the SW getting the 3+ Strom Shields, it seems kinda obvious everyone will. In time.

 

Just update the FAQs, and update the costs via them if you have too...

[jakehunter52]

*Italian accent* Forget about it! When Kelly was asked about the DA stormshields, he expressed to the extent of, "Yeah, it sucks and they should have the same wargear. But we, as in GW and not necessarily my personal opinion, don't want consumers buying the codex and then later finding out they need an FAQ to play correctly."

That is such BS. You need the FAQs as it is!

 

And furthermore, making the game this way only causes players to scratch their heads and wonder :) is up with the variant wargear! And they didn't help themselves with the new SW codex having the "old" capacities for land raiders and drop pods.

 

Sigh.

 

Word. But then we couldn't compare GW to the Administratum and have ensue many ironic lulz.

[SamaNagol]

Yeh, people who play Warhammer 40k don't use the internet. Expecting everyone to go through the arduous task of downloading a pdf file to play competitively is just completely unreasonable!

 

:P Gawwwwwd

[Hrathnar Flintfang]

Take my advice, hope that they wait until the Devs stop doing Meth and get the Hero Hammer out of their system. Us fang dwellers kind of dodged a bullet with lots of flexibility outside of heroic characters, but I don't think DH or WH would fare as well.