Bjorns 5 + Inv save

[whitewolfmxc]

So how does his 5+ Inv save work ?

 

is it :

 

A) Count as a 5 + cover save even out in the open , but if in cover use 4 +

 

:lol: do any cover saves first , then do the 5 +

 

C) after failed cover saves and venerable reroll , you then do the 5+ to see if it can be saved

 

so which one ?

[Tau_Guardian]

Okay so basically the 5+ invul save works just how it does for other models. If you get hit you use the best save, if this is the invul then you use it, if it is cover then you use it. You do not get to roll both though.

[jeremy1391]

you would do it like any other model with a inv you dont get to do both cover and inv save with say a terminator so bjorn wouldnt get it either. you get one or the other not both.

[Wolf Guard Hengist]

I would say you dont get two bites of the cherry. Rulebook says you pick either armour, cover or Inv save, in this case armour doesnt apply so you pick either cover or Inv.

[The Forgetful]

Basically: If your opponent gets a glancing or penetrating hit you roll a D6 and on a 5+ the glancing or penetrating is ignored.

 

- Forgetful

[the great beaver]

what they mean is...roll your 5+ before you get your opponent to roll on the damage table...then you can use the venerable re-roll if you wish.

[lunchb0x]

I cant believe this was even asked.

[Coverfire]

when is the inv save taken?

 

When the opponent has successful glanced/penetrated armour or can I choose what I want to save against?

[Firenze]

I cant believe this was even asked.

It is just to clarify the rules. Don't be a sulky wolf. I was a little confused of the order till now.

[Grey Mage]

What do you mean what you want to save against? Save against it all!

[WolfLordLars]

Wait... for vehicles, I thought you first rolled cover saves on hits, then they roll to penetrate with whatever hits.

 

The way I read Bjorns rule is that assuming you are in cover you get to make the cover save, then a +5 save against anything that gets through.

 

So confused....

[stinkenheim]

as i understand it, when your opponent has rolled for armour penetration you take any cover saves you would get then (these are normally 4+) and any you save are discarded. if you dont have a cover save, then you simply roll your 5+ Inv Save in its place.

 

so basically, you opponent rolls to hit, the penetrate armour. you then take whatever save is better (4+ cover or 5+ Inv). any shots you save against are then discarde, your opponent rolls for damage on those that are left. you can then ask for those to be re-rolled because of the venerable rule

[Grey Mage]

Ive triple checked it- armor saves are done after the penetration roll on successful glances or pens and then the damage roll is made.

 

So you only get one save, wichever is best.

[WolfLordLars]

Ah, thanks for the info.

[whitewolfmxc]

Thanks for the info , i was just trying to clarify the rule as never before has a vehicle / walker have Inv save before , not that im being any rule lawyer or noob.....like some think....

[whitewolfmxc]

Im also assuming that the 5+ save works in close combat ?

[Grey Mage]

I see no reason why it wouldnt.

[Morticon]

Its an Inv. not a cover- so def. works in combat too!

[whitewolfmxc]

Thanks guys , although i still think making Bjorn Initiative 3 is..........stupid.......being old in a dred doesn't make your slower as they use thoughts to control movements , not muscles

[stinkenheim]

yeah the save would work in combat once the opponent has rolled to penetrate armour you make your save against any that are successful.

 

as for Bjorn being I3, hes going a bit mental and isnt the most active of dreads anymore. takes him time to warm up.

dont forget that its also a balancing issue, making a Ws 6, 4 attack dread with 5+ Inv and venerable I4 would be too harsh imo, this way he can still be taken out before he attacks otherdreads, hes just unlikely to what with all his uber coolness. I think he looks like he will work pretty well.