Garland Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I'm paraphrasing but in the desctiption for JotWW it says any "models" touched by the line must take an initiative test or be removed from play. So would this mean ANY model friend or foe...?? Chris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 The line would stop as soon as it hit a friendly unit because you cannot damage your own forces except by scatter from blast weapons, at least that is how I read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yep. Watch where you point that thing... apparently the World Wolf is hungry for anything...! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I would say no, it only affects the opponents models, for the simple fact that they normally stipulate 'any models friend or foe' if it will damage both sides. that is only my opinion though, i would be interested to ehar those of other wolf palyers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 It clearly says draw a line 24 inces from Rune Priest, any......"model, ie read text" touched by line makes initiative save. Sorry, don't want to post exact wording for fear of the Inquisition... ;) Chris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 i agree frend or foe ..stay out of the wolfs way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 The line would stop as soon as it hit a friendly unit because you cannot damage your own forces except by scatter from blast weapons, at least that is how I read it. You may have a point - it is a physic shooting attack, and so is bound by those rules. However, the RaW is to draw a line 24" long - nothing else. Tricky one, this one... I suppose it doesn't actually attack anything, just cause a characteristic test. Not sure, really not sure now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 No mystery for me. "Any model" means just what it says. If it said any "enemy" or "opponents" model then that would mean no fratricide possible. It is worded in a way to be treated as a blast template weapon. Any pups in the way may have their tails cut off. No mystery for me. "Any model" means just what it says. If it said any "enemy" or "opponents" model then that would mean no fratricide possible. It is worded in a way to be treated as a blast template weapon. Any pups in the way may have their tails cut off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 That's actually not entirely accurate. You can damage your own models with your own fire. You cannot, however, deliberately target your own units (unless your army-specific rules allow for it). Which means that invariably it's only blast weapons that scatter, or sneaky/unfortunate template placements that end up hurting your own models. Referencing the older "Fury of the Ancients" power, it specified that if it hit a friendly model, it stopped. Jaws of the World Wolf does not. It merely specifies that you draw a straight line for 24", and any model touched by the line makes an initiative test. By that logic, you cannot deliberately target, or make one of your own units your target, HOWEVER, if the 24" line you draw happens to touch your own models, they will have to test as well. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 The line would stop as soon as it hit a friendly unit because you cannot damage your own forces except by scatter from blast weapons, at least that is how I read it. You may have a point - it is a physic shooting attack, and so is bound by those rules. However, the RaW is to draw a line 24" long - nothing else. Tricky one, this one... I suppose it doesn't actually attack anything, just cause a characteristic test. Not sure, really not sure now. I would play it as "any model" but if you wished to go by a standard shooting attack *wich JotWW is not* youd have to simply fail to shoot if it touched your own models- since its not a blast weapon. For that same reason it doesnt touch the rune priest- he cant shoot himself, as its not a blast weapon... just like your flamer armed GHs dont hurt themselves with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Fair enough, upon presentation of your arguments I review my stance. It seems to make snese and the way to get round it is have your priest at the fore! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 dont forget, as its a line (i.e. very thin) it should be fairly simple to thread it through your own troops so in my opinion, the situation where you are likely to draw it through your own guys is gonna be pretty few and far between. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 dont forget, as its a line (i.e. very thin) it should be fairly simple to thread it through your own troops so in my opinion, the situation where you are likely to draw it through your own guys is gonna be pretty few and far between. Just remember, that by definition a line is strait so you cant be bending the string. And yes, as a line its supposedly infinitely thin, so a string is best- not a tape measurer! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 i never stated you would bend the line merely that because it is thin, you should be able to thread it through the gap between two models B) the only time this would be impossible would be if the models were in base to base contact. basically if you don't want your priest in the front of the unit, leave a little window for him to see through in the direction of the gribbly thing you wanna kill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I just wanted to be sure on the clarification there, though Ill note that if you get enough models mixedup and about that you may not be able to avoid friendlies in a given arc. Though frankly the most fearsome ability of this power is firing into combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 simple : just use the "thin" side of the measure tape instead of the measuring marking side , that way it still a straight line but more like a "line" , it takes off most of the arguments XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2135969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 obviously the best way of measuring a line is with a mono molecular edge commonly seen on most mono-cutters... if you happen to cut through your hand, the table, and several hundred feet of dirt, so be it. As far as the power goes, I wasn't aware that big gaping holes in the ground had IFF systems. Hell, I didn't think that dirt could form allegiances... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I agree, hits friend or foe. Be careful where you point that thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the great beaver Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 first line of it's rules stipulate it's a shooting attack and you're not allowed to make a shooting attack that would damage a friendly model like with flamers for instance. no shooting your own models...this isn't warmachine :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 first line of it's rules stipulate it's a shooting attack and you're not allowed to make a shooting attack that would damage a friendly model like with flamers for instance. no shooting your own models...this isn't warmachine :woot: (Small semantic issue -sorry >< You may not target your own models is a rule. Nothing about making shooting attacks that would damage a friendly model. Flamer rules are covered independently) However, it ends with more or less the same result in this case. If you trace your line and it goes through your own model, you are targeting your own model. Hence you may not target like that. So, to answer the question, no it cannot harm your own models, because you are not allowed to target your own models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 But morticon jaws does not target anything. it forces a I test and that is all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahrikmili Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Any model means any model. Saying a psychich attack can not harm a friendly model does not cut it because psychich attacks also require a target and JotWW does not require one it is obviously an exception. It draws a line out from the priest, it does not target anyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastenarius Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Question on JOtWW as well. How would I treat it if the line ends up in an assault how should that be treated? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Is it touching a friendly model? Yes- you cant do that. No- Ok then. In combat out of combat doesnt matter- theyre still on the line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastenarius Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I figured thats how it would work but I wasn't sure. I guess that makes since considering if a blast scattered it would still hit the models that are under it. Well thanks for the reply Grey Mage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180382-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-wording/#findComment-2136399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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