MagneticFreak Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Hello all, Perhaps it has been discussed before, but things are a bit crazy now with a new codex. I realized that the Wolf guard battle leader and the Lords, if equipped in TDA cannot use frost wpns at all. Why? Is it an oversight? I hope, because these guys are the only ones with I 5 and who make the use of Frost wpn incredible. Comments? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Runic Armor. Thats all I need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2136368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 while this is true I just took the liberty of creating two seperate wolf lords one with terminater and one with runic armours. Here is what I found. Wolf lord terminator armour power weapon storm bolter belt of russ (To make the comparison) 165pts (140pts w/o BoR) Wolf lord Runic armour bolt pistol Frost Blade Belt of russ 170pts so its 5pts for S5 in close combat, 1 more A (2 CCWs), able to ride in rhinos/razerbacks (and take up one space to boot), can sweeping advance and a 5+ despell save against psykic (sp) powers. and all you lose in return is one S4 bolter shot and an extra 12 ince range. And even when you take BoR out of the equasion 30pts for all that and +1inv is worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2136378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Yeah... I figure if your going TDA then go big- Get a SS and maybe a WC or a TH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2136385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 My lord is modelled in TDA but wears runic, the reason is because he leads a TDA squad which looks weird when the big imposing guy is smaller than his bodyguard, at least with the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2136411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Considering My Lords weapon options. Thinking Storm Bolter and ChainFist. A little better than a standard PowerFist or Power Sword/Axe, IMO. Cost offset in choosing a Wolf Claw over the ChainFist? Re-roll to hit or to wound compared to 2D6 for AP. Whadda ya think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 It does rather waste his nice initiative 5. However under most circumstances a chainfist is better than a thunderhammer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Well, whatever the alternative, the fact that this particular setup is not even available is quite dumb. I mean, all Wolf Guards have this setup available. Why not their battle leader and the Lord himself?!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 So what would be the best options for a lead from the front, shoot the enemy from range and smite them when closer weapon load out, to maximize the best of range AND assault? ETA: Whatever the shooting impliment is, it'll be Master Crafted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I have given one of mine, a Storm Sheild and Wolf Claw.... with Terminator armour, for 170 pionts i think, so he may have a saga as well, i think its pretty effective, because he will be hitting on 3s against a lot of things, and with the Wolf claw giving re-rolls on to wound rolls, he will be doing plently of wounds methinks :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 is there still the limit of 100 points for the amount of wargear a character can take? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Your Wolf Lord asked for a Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield and Saga of the Bear. Cannn youuuu oblaaaaaaahj heeem? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 is there still the limit of 100 points for the amount of wargear a character can take? Nope. Best range and assault for me? Runic Armour, Stormbolter, Frostblade. Yeah, you lose out on the second attack if you had a pistol but make up for it with more shots from the stormbolter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Shooting with the storm bolter is ass. Why would you ever want to give up an extra S5 Power Weapon attack for a single S4 shooting attack? :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Well he did want a combination of good shooting and good assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Shooting with the storm bolter is ass. Why would you ever want to give up an extra S5 Power Weapon attack for a single S4 shooting attack? :/ StormBolter also reaches 24" as opposed to 12" from a Bolt Pistol. Even to get an extra attack in CC I'd like to get him into the fight a little earlier than 12" from the enemy. I intend to model any Runic Armor clad models with TDA anyway as they just seem too small otherwise, IMO. Runic isn't something I considered for my WL, but may as getting a FrostBlade over a standard Power Weapon IS an advantage in CC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krave Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 If you want shooting why not go with a plasma pistol? If you've got runic armour on you'd hardly be worrying about overheats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Yes it sucks, I think they are doing it yet again to match us up with the failure that is the current C:SM. As it has been pointed out though you do end up getting a better deal with the belt and Runic armor, and if you really want to you can model runic to look like Terminator armor on crack if your good enough. Yes I know it sucks, and it really makes no sense unless you really work at rationalizing it on how it matches up with the nellas. But its not the worst thing they could have done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 Well, even when rationalizing it, the wolf guards do have the option... What is the link with C:SM? Are you taking about Relic Blades? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2137992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Yes, that is what they equate it to. Our codex has several points where it suffers for tryingto be like the nella dex for no reason. Many of those failings are totally and utterly nonsensical too, at leas to me. If you write one bad book fine, but don't base ohter books off of it, especially not when it will be another 9 years before a new one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180430-no-frost-blades-for-battle-leaders-and-lords/#findComment-2138180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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