GK Justicar and a Teleport Homer, can he use it?

[Lei of the Angelai]

Reading through the DH codex and I've seen the note stating that GKTs can only use the equipment marked with a star, so interpreting this, I understand it to mean that GKTs can ONLY use the star marked items where as other units can use all of it (unless stated).

 

My question then is this: As the PAGK Justicar can use DH armoury items, can he take a Teleport Homer? or is it limited to only being used by GKTs?

 

Thank you for your time.

[Justicar Valius]

he can take it but you would be wasting 10 points due to our teleport homer not working due to old codex disease and blast marker rules. (unless of course you are using the french codex?)

 

Also expect to see ADMOVEO: infront of this thread very soon for wrong forum.

[Lei of the Angelai]

Im sorry, I wasn't sure where to post this.

 

Could you quickly expand on the 'old codex desease'? Im not sure what you're referring to?

[jeffersonian000]

3rd edition use a mechanic for deep striking that involved the placement of a large blast template. The DH codex is a 3rd edition codex, and references the blast template rules from the 3rd edition rule book; however, not enough information is provided by the DH codex to use the full rule as it was originally written. As such, and per the 5th edition ruling that if an old rule is reference yet no longer available, the codex item/special rule does nothing. In the case of GK's, their teleport homer references the old blast template rule and therefore is no longer usable in a tournament setting. At home and/or in a friendly game, it is perfectly acceptable to use the most current rules for a similar piece of wargear like the current Space Marine homing beacon.

 

SJ

[number6]

What jeffersonian said. But assuming that you will be allowing "modern" TP homer rules to be used, a justicar can carry a TP homer but neither he nor his squad can actually use it himself. Any other deep-striking unit may take advantage of any TP homer already on the table. A unit deep-striking isn't actually on the table, so can't use its own equipped homer.

[avatar8481]

I know that this:

per the 5th edition ruling that if an old rule is reference yet no longer available, the codex item/special rule does nothing

is the case, but can you actually point to the place where the BRB says this? I've always played this way, and it makes sense, but I've never found the actual 'ruling'. Thanks!

[number6]

I know that this:

per the 5th edition ruling that if an old rule is reference yet no longer available, the codex item/special rule does nothing

is the case, but can you actually point to the place where the BRB says this? I've always played this way, and it makes sense, but I've never found the actual 'ruling'. Thanks!

It's in the BRB 5th edition FAQ.

[avatar8481]

Thanks!

[ValourousHeart]

** RANT MODE ON **

It never fails to amaze me how spiteful some of the retarded people in this hobby can be.

 

To use a douche bag interpretation of an obscure post script in the current BRB, to screw an army using a codex that is 2 editions out of date, out of an Item as trivial as a teleport homer.

Really?!?!

Doesn't that smack in the face of the "First Rule" just a little?

You know, It's a game, so have fun.

 

Come on, this is just as stupid as the Razorback or Rhino that didn't list access points.

"Sure you can deploy the unit inside, but they can't get out. HAHAHA"

:P

 

If those are the types of players you face at your LGS... find a new store, preferably with fewer :devil: .

** RANT MODE OFF **

 

<puts flame retardant suit on and prepares for the worst>

[Marid]

** RANT MODE ON **

It never fails to amaze me how spiteful some of the retarded people in this hobby can be.

 

To use a douche bag interpretation of an obscure post script in the current BRB, to screw an army using a codex that is 2 editions out of date, out of an Item as trivial as a teleport homer.

Really?!?!

Doesn't that smack in the face of the "First Rule" just a little?

You know, It's a game, so have fun.

 

Come on, this is just as stupid as the Razorback or Rhino that didn't list access points.

"Sure you can deploy the unit inside, but they can't get out. HAHAHA"

:D

 

If those are the types of players you face at your LGS... find a new store, preferably with fewer :P .

** RANT MODE OFF **

 

<puts flame retardant suit on and prepares for the worst>

 

Try not to get too upset at the players. We're doing the best we can with what GW gives us. They state pretty clearly that you have to use the rules in your codex, for good or for ill. Now, if GW made more than a pittance of an effort towards making FAQs we'd be much happier. Maybe they should make a visit to WoTC and ask them about keeping a ruleset fresh and up to date. I'm not holding my breath. B)

[Grand Master Caloth]

i have always played where you just place the first model down within the 6in, then circle up the remaining guys as per the rule book. I have to agree with the rant man, it isnt a waste cause ive even played this is tournaments.and knowing that you can call in the Term reserves right at the front to support your PAGK squads is a great tactic

[number6]

It's always best to expect the worst. I HAVE run across situations where the "ludicrously literal" RAW was applied. It's ridiculous and frustrating, but nevertheless IT HAPPENS. And, like Marid said, it happens because of GW's own rules combined with their negligence. If, instead of codifying strict RAW in their rules they had said something like "use common sense and apply the 'reasonable person' standard when interpreting RAW", we'd actually have far fewer arguments (as counter-intuitive as that may seem).

 

I mean, it's often patently obvious how a rule is intended to play out, but because GW is so very very awful at diction, we have to try and glean the literal meaning out of their awful writing. So I blame nobody but GW for this mess. It's clearly and entirely their fault.

 

Now, I'm not trying to excuse true RAW lawyer douchebags. They are breaking the rule that says that game should be agreeable and fun for all. But I do at least understand why they exist. GW has allowed them to exist. Nothing some Quality Assurance, proofreading, and out-of-house playtesting couldn't solve.

 

O to dream....

[avatar8481]

Nothing some Quality Assurance, proofreading, and out-of-house playtesting couldn't solve

 

a strategy that works for other companies. c.f. PPP releasing not only beta-rules for a 3 month public test, but then releasing the ACTUAL rules for free two weeks ago, though they will charge for and produce a very nice full color book next January.