chenley Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I guess GW over looked something when they made the rules for Njal Stormcaller. It looks like he is the only terminator with a bolt pistol, that is if you give him terminator armour. Anyone else notice this over sight? The nice part about this is he gets a +1 attacks for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemon*hunter Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I thought Termies were unable to use bolt pistols, which would just make it useless when wearing termie armour. I haven't read there new codex, so if it doesn't mention that, then it might be a very useful thing to take advantage of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2137101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temprus Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 There is no current rule that says Terminators can not use pistols, it is just that no other Terminator wearing model has access to one in an army list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2137520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naysmith Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Just looked the mini up. It´s equipped with a boltpistol so i guess the codex is correct. cya Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2137737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Odd. I'm not very knowledgeable of Njal's equipment/weapons or abilities but would this bolt pistol be of great use to him? Grant him an extra attack or something in close combat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2137746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Yeah, and its quite prominent on the front of the mini. Maybe its his personal sidearm or something, because the sculptor has looked at the holster on the old mini and done a very similar one on the Terminator armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2137894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphanfeast99 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Speaking of which, someone tried to tell me that when a termy has a stormbolter he gets an extra attack, then sombody else said its only if he hasnt shot, whats the word on that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 You cannot claim an extra attack with a storm bolter unless you play Grey Knights in which they forfeit the extra attack for charging but always have two attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphanfeast99 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Alright, I was fairly sure that was pure unadulterated BS, oh btw, I know this isnt the topic, but while im getting answers, does anyone remember the rules for nemmy force weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 If you score a wound on a multi-wound model make a single psychic test if you pass you cause instant death. However I think you need to have one of your psychic powers for that turn free, so master of the Runes would only be able to use one power. Unsure on that though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Alright, I was fairly sure that was pure unadulterated BS, oh btw, I know this isnt the topic, but while im getting answers, does anyone remember the rules for nemmy force weapons? Theyre all S 6, depending on who its armed with its either a CCW, a PW, or a Force Weapon that bypasses eternal warrior. And Bolt Pistols give an extra attack with a Force Weapon- because a force weapon is just a PW that gives you a psychic power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ah. I missed the nemesis bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtee Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 So in 4th edition force weapons insta killed monst creatures. Do they still do that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeddon Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 So in 4th edition force weapons insta killed monst creatures. Do they still do that? A Runic Weapon follows all the current rules for Force Weapons. On top of that it has it's own rules that make it a unique and very powerful piece of equipment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 So in 4th edition force weapons insta killed monst creatures. Do they still do that? A Runic Weapon follows all the current rules for Force Weapons. On top of that it has it's own rules that make it a unique and very powerful piece of equipment. Wich is to say yes, many monstrous creatures can be instakilled by force weapons- but many others have eternal warrior these days and so cannot be. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greese_m0nkey Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Think of it this way if Njal needs to shoot a BP instaed of a psykic power you did some thing wroung. The guy has a psychic attack for all ranges. from unlimited to 5 inchs. The pistel is for the extra attack in close combat and to make him look nice and thats about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rau le Creuset Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Simple reason Njal has a bolt pistol rulewise, because he wears power armour unless you ugrade him to terminator armour, therefore he has two close combat weapons and gets in his standard configuration +1 attack. Fluffwise it's normal to carry a sidearm, even more if using your powers always is a risky thing (psyker powers are always dangerous). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
40k Junkie Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 It really dosen't matter you should NEVER and I mean NEVER shoot with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I agree with Rau le Creuset, look at (Kill me for mentioning it) the Dark Angels Mastar Librarian. He has a master-crafted bolt pistol, and he still has lotsa psychic powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 he gets Runic TDA not TDA. it still allows him to use a BP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Is there anything that actually says a TDA warrior cannot use a bolt pistol? No, it's seen as traditional to give them more interesting weaponry such as storm bolters/combi weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2138802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Simple reason Njal has a bolt pistol rulewise, because he wears power armour unless you ugrade him to terminator armour, therefore he has two close combat weapons and gets in his standard configuration +1 attack. Fluffwise it's normal to carry a sidearm, even more if using your powers always is a risky thing (psyker powers are always dangerous). njal - 'ugghh, ehhh. Come on, just a little more' ragnar - 'brother, whats the matter?' njal - 'chaos spawned codex designer gave me a bolt pistol and the player wants to use it. so...ugh...trying....grrr...to....reach...HA got it' ragnar - 'thats fine and all but shooting phase was over 8 turns ago' njal - ........... Not sure about you but terminator armour doesn't lend itself to quick drawing of a side arm. often I would think he would be better of holding it always unless he wishs to look like he's trying to itch an awkward spot. (side note: gundam seed for the win!!!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2139070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclops Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Its not a Bolt Pistol. Its a Rune Pistol. Each bolt in the clip is personally filled with Njal's own psychic energy so that he can slay the strongest of foes near him with a shot from it. Net Effect = Provides +1 attack in close combat when used in conjunction with a Rune Weapon :D However, it cant be used with Power Armour. Thats why he decided to upgrade in the new 'dex :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2139119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Is there anything that actually says a TDA warrior cannot use a bolt pistol? No, it's seen as traditional to give them more interesting weaponry such as storm bolters/combi weapons. Never has been a rule that prevents models in TDA from using pistols, they just have never had access. In the 20 years or so that there have been models and rules for models in TDA, this version of Njal is the first to get one. No big deal really, other than it is unique to him. Only in game effect is to get that extra attack in close combat, which is a he'll of a lot more useful than trading it in for a Storm Bolter that he'll never shoot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2139243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectre312 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 And now that it's generally confirmed that Njal has an extra attack in CC his place in my company is assured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180496-njal-stormcaller/#findComment-2139633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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