Bloodyhandedgod Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hi All reading through my copy of Space wolves I noticed something that has never really been covered before - it states that not only did the emperor create twenty legions (ok I think realistically the number is twenty one but I will let you all figure out why!!) but he also found all twenty primarchs and reunited them with their legions - well remember there are two that are never talked about - what did they do to get wiped from the records? Horus is attributed with doing the most heinious but he and his traitors are always mentioned!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 No... it was 20 legions, Alpharius and his Brother split a legion. Unless your counting the Custodes? Theyre not legion size though. Grey Knights? Maybe... depends on who you believe. And to answer your question... no one knows. They were wiped before the heresy even occurred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 welcome to Warhammer 40k, and now you know a little about the history! and learning is half the battle :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 And to answer your question... no one knows. They were wiped before the heresy even occurred. The original intention, I think, was to give players an option to create their own fluff for one Loyalist and one Traitor Primarch (as there were 9 on each side anyway). Since then the two blank ones have been mostly cordoned off (a bit like the creation of Second Founding chapters) for player-created fluff. The question will always remain as to just what those two did that was so uniquely worthy of deletion from the records, but I doubt we'll ever have any sort of canon on that, only hints in various bits of fluff (such as Horus' vision of the Primarchs in the growth vats, where he makes a hairline crack into one of them , or Rogal Dorn, iirc, pointing out two empty plinths where there should be 20 Primarch statues ) as to what it might have been. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ranuk Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 An interesting piece that came back to me recently from our own 2nd edition codex: On the subject of the primarchs being spirited away: "Not all of the Primarchs found themselves on advanced civilised worlds, or even human worlds for that matter." What could a primarch do to earn the ire of the emperor - fight against humanity for his alien adoptive parents - we may have a good clue here as to the "abberations" reported in the Lightning Tower. But as ever - smoke and mirrors is the order of the day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Man I Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Emperor "Whew, I've finally reunited my 20 primarchs with..." Imperial Toadie "20?!" Emeperor "Yes 20. Two Zero." Imperial Toadie "Um....yeah....we thought you had only found 18, so we uh.......only got christmas presents for 18." Emperor "Wow....really....damn. What are we going to do now." Imperial Toadie "We could......just......delete two from the records and send them on a deep, deep, deep, DEEP, space crusade." Emperor "Who will it be?" Imperial Toadie "Um...these guys. Jimbob and Scooter. I mean who ever would miss Primarch Jimbob and his redneck legion and Primarch Scooter and his fancy lads." God's honest truth thats what happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 yes the emperor did find all 20 primarch's and reunited them with their legions, but nobody said he found all 20 alive :devil: he found his last 2 boys dead so in his sorrow decided he must complete his mission and reunite them with their legions, he made them build a tomb for their primarch and then locked em inside to spend eternity together. :yes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelavenger Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 It is stated that he found all 20 and that the 2 missing legions did fight for horus at least in the beginning of the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 It is stated that he found all 20 and that the 2 missing legions did fight for horus at least in the beginning of the heresy. Where... find me the quote that says those 2 fought for horus and youll have one the internet, forever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 It is stated that he found all 20 and that the 2 missing legions did fight for horus at least in the beginning of the heresy. The only time its comes close to saying that is 2nd edition Codex: Imperialis book, that came with the 2nd edition Box set In it its says that it is possible that the two missing legions MAY have fought for Horus, but no records exist Thats has been retconned now anyways Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 If it even existed as a possibility it's retconned now with the HH books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2137980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Unless your counting the Custodes? Theyre not legion size though. Grey Knights? Maybe... depends on who you believe. I dont recall the Adeptus Custodes being Space Marines. Also the Imperial Fists call Terra home base, it would seem odd that 2 chapter recruit from the same pool. Grey Knights are speciffically mentioned as a latter founding chapter. They were in fact the 666 chapter founded after the Leigons were broken up. Though I dont recall whos geneseed they are made up from, maybe a 'best of' batch. Also to beat anyone to the punch its not the Legion of the Damned either. They were originally the Flame Falcons (I think) chapter and speciffically excluded as a first founding chapter. Lost in the warp blah blah, good guys + tragedy = anti-heroes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Something was mentioned about the 2nd and 11th, I found this on Wiki - In the Horus Heresy novel series, Horus, in a Chaos-induced dream sequence, apparently goes back in time and sees the cracked incubation capsule of Primarch XI before the Primarchs are scattered to the warp. He places his hand on XI's capsule and feels "the untapped glories that might have lain ahead for what grew within, but knowing that they would never come to pass. I think it was in False Gods, but I'm not sure. Also in the 'Flight of the Eisenstein' the remaining loyal Death Guard are kept on the moon base with the sisters of silence. Could they be he founding Chapter for the Grey Knights? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Also in the 'Flight of the Eisenstein' the remaining loyal Death Guard are kept on the moon base with the sisters of silence. Could they be he founding Chapter for the Grey Knights? They were after minds of 'an Inquisitive nature'. If that doesn't yell Inquisition, I don't know what does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Unless your counting the Custodes? Theyre not legion size though. Grey Knights? Maybe... depends on who you believe. I dont recall the Adeptus Custodes being Space Marines. Also the Imperial Fists call Terra home base, it would seem odd that 2 chapter recruit from the same pool. Grey Knights are speciffically mentioned as a latter founding chapter. They were in fact the 666 chapter founded after the Leigons were broken up. Though I dont recall whos geneseed they are made up from, maybe a 'best of' batch. Also to beat anyone to the punch its not the Legion of the Damned either. They were originally the Flame Falcons (I think) chapter and speciffically excluded as a first founding chapter. Lost in the warp blah blah, good guys + tragedy = anti-heroes. sarcasm for 500 please, *Double Jeopardy! Round* I believe wolf brother Grey Mage was being sarcastic, that or he forgot to hit the sarcastic button. It's right beside the search function were most bandwagon'ers and whelps neglect to use. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ok here is the facts at present in real life. Who are the missing Legions? Well one was the Rainbow warriors. I can't remember the other one. See this all started out with minis and no fluff way back when. You had all these cool ideas for a new gaming system based on troops in space. But no story line. Which is why Leman Russ was anImperial General in the ealiest fluff. And then poof a Primarch later. Cause they invented the story of Primarchs. Well the first legions were taken from armies different people had made. Ultra Marines? Well they were called that cause the maker used Ultra Blue Paint from a craft store. You can still buy it today, Ultra Blue paint. There is a bunch of them and they made them each a founding chapter. But here is the catch. One was named Rainbow Warriors. So magicly that legion and another with a silly name was lost in time. Now all the new kids think wow the fluff is so intence they must be a cool part of the story. Nope GW was just removing a silly name from the annuls of time. And it stands to reason. OMG!!! The Rainbow Warriors are here! Hide your sissy sons and frilly clothes!!!!!! Oh yeah, the founding of the Inquisition is not set in any of the fluff. Some say 666, but the books point out to Loyalists that resisted server Horus. So it seems to me that will be the origans of them. And it makes sence too. So like alot of GW fluff it contridicts it's self. Which lets you personally decide where they came from and were founded. And the Book makes soooooo huge a hint. Of and Inquisitive nature. And they used them for something special. So yeah they founded the Grey Knights. After all they had fought and killed a Deamon with faith in the Emeperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ok here is the facts at present in real life. Who are the missing Legions? Well one was the Rainbow warriors. I can't remember the other one. See this all started out with minis and no fluff way back when. You had all these cool ideas for a new gaming system based on troops in space. But no story line. Which is why Leman Russ was anImperial General in the ealiest fluff. And then poof a Primarch later. Cause they invented the story of Primarchs. Well the first legions were taken from armies different people had made. Ultra Marines? Well they were called that cause the maker used Ultra Blue Paint from a craft store. You can still buy it today, Ultra Blue paint. There is a bunch of them and they made them each a founding chapter. But here is the catch. One was named Rainbow Warriors. So magicly that legion and another with a silly name was lost in time. Now all the new kids think wow the fluff is so intence they must be a cool part of the story. Nope GW was just removing a silly name from the annuls of time. And it stands to reason. OMG!!! The Rainbow Warriors are here! Hide your sissy sons and frilly clothes!!!!!! The Rainbow Warriors were never a Legion just a Chapter in the 1st ed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodred0114 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Emperor "Whew, I've finally reunited my 20 primarchs with..."Imperial Toadie "20?!" Emeperor "Yes 20. Two Zero." Imperial Toadie "Um....yeah....we thought you had only found 18, so we uh.......only got christmas presents for 18." Emperor "Wow....really....damn. What are we going to do now." Imperial Toadie "We could......just......delete two from the records and send them on a deep, deep, deep, DEEP, space crusade." Emperor "Who will it be?" Imperial Toadie "Um...these guys. Jimbob and Scooter. I mean who ever would miss Primarch Jimbob and his redneck legion and Primarch Scooter and his fancy lads." God's honest truth thats what happened. ok that realy is somthing you have to LOL about... you can see it happening Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I always liked that one.... odd color scheme, but very 70's. Still... works with a supposed old native american prophesy. To paraphrase: "A time will come when the earth itself is sick and dying. Death will walk the land taking as it pleases and the sun will fade to a night that does not end. A people will appear to save us, and they shall be called the Rainbow Warriors". Very roughly paraphrased, Ill have to call my mother for the full quote... and wich tribe it was. Lol, I always thought it was the Rainbow people- nope, tis the Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I always liked that one.... odd color scheme, but very 70's. Still... works with a supposed old native american prophesy. To paraphrase: "A time will come when the earth itself is sick and dying. Death will walk the land taking as it pleases and the sun will fade to a night that does not end. A people will appear to save us, and they shall be called the Rainbow Warriors". Very roughly paraphrased, Ill have to call my mother for the full quote... and wich tribe it was. Lol, I always thought it was the Rainbow people- nope, tis the Astartes. Actually your right. That is where the name originated. I remember an article in a gaming magazine way back when. Rick Priestly, in an interview, answered a question about how he got the name for the Rainbow Warriors. I think it was a magazine that catered for the defunct 'Warlord' fantasy game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Really now? Well thats interesting. I might have to look around for that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180566-space-wolves-fluff/#findComment-2138517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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