BigJon Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 With the release of the new codex I've been going over a lot of army list posted in the army list section and have noticed a trend to avoid Blood Claws and stock up on Grey Hunters. I understand the WS/BS issue but they have other advantages that make up for it; other then that why are folks avoiding Blood Claws? It just does not feel like a Wolf army without at least one pack of the young pups. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The thing is the lack of special close combat weapons, only one model in a full pack is allowed one as opposed to one per five men as before, which made the unit incredibly scary as they would still hit a space marine captain on a 4+. Add to that they cost the same points as a grey hunter now, even though both have gone down in price and Grey Hunters have become much better. I will not be fielding infantry Blood Claws but plenty of Sky Claws and Swift Claws to keep up with my armoured company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2137945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I was never a fan of BCs, as I disliked needing a leash. I fielded them on occaision, but it tended to be 3 GH packs to 1 BC pack. I think Ill keep ration, for stormclaws OR BCs Ill take 3 GH packs first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2137949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 tell the pups to strap rockets on there backs or get on there bike, i have no time for there rubbish as soon as you leave them unattended they charge and let their thirst for battle over come them, i have to send 1 of my devout wolfguard to stop them, do they not understand that sometimes 1 most hold ground and not move 6 away from an objective i have ordered them to defend? ok so there is why your wolf lord isn't throwing his pups in as troops in a nutshell, give em packs or bikes, or use maybe 1 of 15 with a leader in a crusader, otherwise they are too easy for your enemy to trick into moving away from an objective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2137952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilhelm Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I used to slightly prefer blood claws, for pound for pound fighting efficiency, but not anymore- - BC's now cost more than they used to. and no more lots-o-cheap-fists. - They can't take a Mark of Wulfen or a Wolf Standard, unlike GH's. - They have to take 15 guys to get a second special weapon. (as opposed to 10 for GH) - Same old crappy BS and WS. It makes a difference. - Plasma and meltas cost the same as GH's, but are less effective (due to BS) - Crap for range. - Without supervision, they may chase a rabbit down a rabbit hole when they shouldn't. - Without supervision, they may fail to shoot before they charge - Loud rock and roll music often wakes up sleeping dreadnoughts down the hall. Is all this worth 1 extra attack on the charge? Have fun with them. Having said that, give me Skyclaws any day! They fill the blood claw "fluff" roll nicely, and they are cheap, fun, and agile for what you get. And inexplicably, they can take a Mark of Wulfen. :D They aren't troops, but so what? As for Grey Hunters, they have been buffed nicely with the new Dex. It would be hard to argue that they are not somewhere between 10-30% more cost effective than they used to be when you take into account cost decrease, standard kit improvement, and free/cheap special weapons (vs only new downside of less pf's and pw's). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2138089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshift Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I'll be taking a pack of BC with a Wolf Priest 'chaperone' partly for fluff but IMHO with the Oath of War rule against infantry they will still be pretty nasty, just more expensive than before Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2138092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I'll say what has not been said: they are not competative. Why glue your hand to the table when you don't have to? There are too many things that make them fussy to play with, at best. And as it was said, with the same point cost as GH, why use them? Now then, their Sky- counterparts is another matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2138119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I'm gonna be putting one squad in my list for fluff purposes. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't use them either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2138122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectre312 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I used to toss a pack with 3 fists in a Crusader with a Wolf priest and bring the pain.... but now that they can't have all the cc weapons..... I mean they're essentially ork 'ardboys with a better save and smaller mob. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2138127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I used them in the previous book because they were cheaper and helped fill out my DP army (especially when we enjoyed beserk charge on counter attack), but now they are the same cost and can't take as many specials. Those things cooupled with the poor BS have really pushed them off the table (pun not intended). That said, I'd still take them over GH's in a LRC with WG or priest or both. All those attacks on the charge are still nice, and if they LRC gets popped they will have a few more numbers while sloggin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180573-whats-wrong-with-blood-claws/#findComment-2138137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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