timtim9990 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 FYI all you guys...I have called Games Workshop and you can NOT have more than ONE jaws of the world wolf! You cannot repeat powers! I spoke to three reps and they say the unique rule is intended to stop repeat powers, this is straight from GW!!!! Sorry cheeseheads! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 joww sucks anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Until GW releases an official FAQ, you're calling GW staff who are also interpreting the rule. The rule states that the same psychic powers may not be chosen. How you interpret that pluralization is up to you. By your reasoning, taking Njal means you cannot possibly take another Rune Priest (which just may be the case), however that's your interpretation. I stand by the interpretation that it's the selection of both powers that may not be identical. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Until GW releases an official FAQ, you're calling GW staff who are also interpreting the rule. The rule states that the same psychic powers may not be chosen. How you interpret that pluralization is up to you. By your reasoning, taking Njal means you cannot possibly take another Rune Priest (which just may be the case), however that's your interpretation. I stand by the interpretation that it's the selection of both powers that may not be identical. DV8 SC are an exception to that rule, its in the dex DV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 As long as I hold the codex where it is written I CAN, I don't mind what the GW staff thinks .) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 GW staff being literate in English is something I have never once seen in my life. Take it all with a grain of salt, guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Seems a bit counnter intuitive - especially as it'd suggest that any wolfguard bl/lord etc can't have any of the same pieces of gear as well...? Methinks not Thankfully I called my local GW manager and he says it's cool for me to have any combination so long as they're not the same. Un;less it's written down for everyone to see it's just an opinion ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeddon Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 SC are an exception to that rule, its in the dex DV Read it again, that only applies to Sagas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 SC are an exception to that rule, its in the dex DV No, that's only Sagas. All other stipulations of "Leaders of the Pack" still stand. Page 64, Space Wolves Codex: Sagas: ... Because the Space Wolves are a diverse and proud bunch, no two characters may bear the same saga. The exception to this rule is Special Characters, who have their own stories and abilities above and beyond the sagas. Page 81, Space Wolves Codex: The Leaders of the Pack: ... To represent this, no two characters may bear the same saga, nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination. The exclusion of Special Characters is found under Sagas, and thus refers specifically to sagas. The Leaders of the Pack lists the criteria as exclusive to each other. Wargear is not an issue, since Special Characters all have unique wargear. Psychic powers, again, boils down to your interpretation of the pluralization. EDIT: I know my user name is 3 characters. It's not hard to type. D ... V ... 8. If you're gonna type my name, don't shorten it please. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mHz Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 If by calling GW you mean their rules help line, take it with a grain of salt. I have gotten some truly bizarre answers from them, only to call another time and be told something completely different. For example, called once regarding whether Tau Flechette Launchers could be able to hurt a dreadnought that was assaulting it. The rep said that no, since it causes wounds it could not hurt a vehicle like a dreadnought. My opponent, who did not believe me, called them right after. Asked the same question and was told that the flechette launchers could glance my dread on a 4+. Now, that said, I am not sure how I feel about this particular ruling as that would mean that taking Njal prevents taking any other Rune Priests. Personally, I don't field more than a single Rune Priest anyway, but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Page 81, Space Wolves Codex: The Leaders of the Pack: ... To represent this, no two characters may bear the same saga, nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination. The exclusion of Special Characters is found under Sagas, and thus refers specifically to sagas. The Leaders of the Pack lists the criteria as exclusive to each other. Wargear is not an issue, since Special Characters all have unique wargear. Psychic powers, again, boils down to your interpretation of the pluralization. DV8 Looking at this i'd say there are the following possible interpretations; 1 - The combinations applies to both wargear and psychic powers but refers to the separately. Thus no two characters may have the same combination of wargear. No two characters may have the same combination of psychic powers 2 - The combinations applies ony two the wargear and the two are separate. Thius no two characters may have the same wargear combination. No two runepriests may take the same psychic power. 3 - The combinations refers to both wargear and psychic powers and refers to the two together. Thus no character may have the same combination of wargear and psychic powers. 4 - The combinations refers to just the wargear and not the psychic powers but refers to the two together. Thus no two combinations of wargear my be the same but the psychic powers may not be duplicated. ouch I'm subscribing to 1 as I believe most people would. It seems that your GW staffer is refering to 2. 3 would be the mostt broken as you could have two runepriests with the same loadout of psychic powers and a free bolter being the difference. hope this helps ~O -Edited as I got 1 and two mixed up when refering to who was thinking what Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Looking at this i'd say there are the following possible interpretations; 1 - The combinations applies to both wargear and psychic powers but refers to the separately. Thus no two characters may have the same combination of wargear. No two characters may have the same combination of psychic powers 2 - The combinations applies ony two the wargear and the two are separate. Thius no two characters may have the same wargear combination. No two runepriests may take the same psychic power. 3 - The combinations refers to both wargear and psychic powers and refers to the two together. Thus no character may have the same combination of wargear and psychic powers. 4 - The combinations refers to just the wargear and not the psychic powers but refers to the two together. Thus no two combinations of wargear my be the same but the psychic powers may not be duplicated. 3 and 4 are literally the same. The GW staffers are interpreting it as #2, where no psychic power (singular) is duplicated. It's a valid interpretation, but again keep in mind it is ONLY an interpretation. The rule specifically states the no duplication as a plural: psychic powers. But it's a vague statement, and how you interpret that pluralization is up to you. Keep in mind however that, despite it's vagueness, it's plurality implies multiple, more than one, not singular. which, in my mind, leans heavily to it applying to both powers, and not just the one. I stand by #1, where as long as both powers are not identical, you're all good. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I'm gonna go with you can't take the same pyshic power more than once from the psychic powers list personally, but then why would anyone need or want more than 1 jaws of the world wolf anyway? unless your goal is to win by P'ing off your opponent enough for him to just walk away Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 im split on this school. id want to run two RPs against forces like tau and eldar (demons also), but i dont think that the powers that i would want would be stackable. how ever being native english i read it as powers meaning more then one. so if you had two RPs one with joww/mh and the other with mh/ll you would be ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I expect a FAQ will come out making only 1 of each power official (with an exception built in for the Special Character). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dietrich Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 If the intent of the rule is that you can't have a duplicate power in the list, then if you take Njal, you cannot take any other Rune Priests in the army. I doubt that is the intent. As a result, I think the intent of the rule is that: 1. No characters may have the exact same list of wargear (but giving one meltabombs to make them 'different' is acceptable). 2. No Rune Priests may have the same pair of powers. As others have said, SCs can duplicate Sagas, but that is it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uthred Ragnarson Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 GW staff being literate in English is something I have never once seen in my life. Take it all with a grain of salt, guys. lololol True true Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 My brother (first class degree in English) agrees that the most likely intention of the rules as written is no repeated combination of multiple powers. He doesn't play the game, and as such has no vested interest either way. He also agreed that it was ambiguous enough that you couldn't say for certain without clarification. Personally, I am really sick of seeing the exact same topic crop up over and over again, in every forum because someone had the crazy idea they were the first person to ask a GW staff member. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambeul Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 " Page 81, Space Wolves Codex: The Leaders of the Pack: ... To represent this, no two characters may bear the same saga, nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination. The exclusion of Special Characters is found under Sagas, and thus refers specifically to sagas. The Leaders of the Pack lists the criteria as exclusive to each other. Wargear is not an issue, since Special Characters all have unique wargear. Psychic powers, again, boils down to your interpretation of the pluralization. DV8 " I would say that we all agree in that no Two Characters can have the same Saga. As for the seoond Part I think I will have to Agree with DV8 since the phrase: "nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination." can also be read as: "nor may they bear the same psychic powers COMBINATION or wargear COMBINATION." implying that you could have RP#1 have power A & B, while RP#2 could have power B & C, while also having different Wargear as well. But if it is ruled either way (duplicating or not duplicating) I believe that Njal would be the exception to the Rule since he knows them all and is a Special Character. Note: This is why I enjoy the other Board Game I play since usually when there could be things like this that crop up they usually provide a Example to the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I would say that we all agree in that no Two Characters can have the same Saga. As for the seoond Part I think I will have to Agree with DV8 since the phrase: "nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination." can also be read as: "nor may they bear the same psychic powers COMBINATION or wargear COMBINATION." implying that you could have RP#1 have power A & B, while RP#2 could have power B & C, while also having different Wargear as well. But if it is ruled either way (duplicating or not duplicating) I believe that Njal would be the exception to the Rule since he knows them all and is a Special Character. Note: This is why I enjoy the other Board Game I play since usually when there could be things like this that crop up they usually provide a Example to the rule. But this is the problem, and why we go round in circles, it can also be read as "nor may they bear the same psychic powers, nor wargear combination". The simple fact is that it could mean either (due to the vagaries of the English language); so as stated it's a case of play it as agreed in your area until a FAQ comes out :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambu Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 This is not adding to the rules discussion much but I agree with the census that the "NEW RULEBOYZ" are very terrible. I wish they would bring back the e-mailing to them because they actually took the time and had people who could truely answer rules questions. LOL Hopefully by Sunday I can add my 2 cents on rules when I get my book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catheras Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 To all wolfbrothers ! Can't you see this is chaos that have infiltrated our midst and are spreading false rumors to hinder our effectiveness on the combat field ! This user named timtim9990 that has only 2 posts and no honor yet and still you belive he has called GW and got the answer to this question ! Be strong and see the evil for what it is ! I'll only belive this heresy when i see it on a official document from the Big Wolf himself, and so should you. Rune Priest Catheras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 FYI all you guys...I have called Games Workshop and you can NOT have more than ONE jaws of the world wolf! You cannot repeat powers! I spoke to three reps and they say the unique rule is intended to stop repeat powers, this is straight from GW!!!! Sorry cheeseheads! Thanks for the info and the insult, very Troll like indeed. A classic example of how to make one self welcome in the Fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2139986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Warrior Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Catheras is right brothers. If you want to spent the time to build a Rune Priest list and have them all kitted out uniquely then go for it. Not being able to have mor than one "Jaws" in your wargear combinations is like saying, "You better not have more than one bolt pistol!" Thats at least how i see it. Roll some dice and have a good time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2140033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwhead Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I dunno, maybe it's just me, but in the same way that it's wrong to use a double negative, I'm also fairly certain that it's wrong to do a "double plural" in the english language. The *s* at the end of "Psychic PowerS" is what really makes the difference. If it was refering/using the "combinations" that comes after the word "Wargear", it would also be singular; nor may they bear the same psychic power or wargear combination. This way, you could break it down as such; Psychic power combination and Wargear combination But it's refered to as "Psychic powers".. So if you seperate the sentence again, saying "psychic powers combination" is bad english, as combination would imply plural and "psychic powers" would not be pluralized. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180727-jaws-of-the-world-wolf/#findComment-2140049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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