Jangalak Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Ok so this is the scenario: I am shooting my flamer at a sqad that has 4 men outside of a wall and 4 men behind the wall, i shoot my flamer at the squad and it overlaps all 8 men. However, the wall is blocking the direct line of fire for the flamer. Does that mean that despite being under the template they are not hit, or you do get the hit because it is a template weapon and they just work like that? I did a search and cant find another similar thread although i imagine this is a popular problem Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 They're all hit. The ones behind the wall would receive a cover save from "normal" shooting, and so are still eligible for flamer hits. They just work like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 If the infantry squad was split in two by a literal wall (i.e. a terrain model that represented a solid, impassable wall) how did they stay in coherency? Did ½ of them run into a door while the other ½ stayed outside and both ran along each side of the wall together? If the wall didn’t count as impassible in the sense that the squad remained coherent then it also was permeable enough to allow the flamer to cross over to hit those on the other side. Seems odd all around. Maybe we need more details on the nature of the terrain piece in this case. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 They are all hit, if one model in a unit can be hit, they all can be hit (with the exception of a handfull of powers that target by model such as boon of mutation). The real question I am trying to remember the answer to is if they are all on the other side of a wall if the flamer can hit them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlandMoonGuy Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 If the entire target squad was on the opposite side of a solid wall then the shooter couldn’t draw LoS to them anyway. But, that is if I’m picturing this correctly. It’s really all about the specifics of the terrain feature in question. -OMG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jangalak Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Hi All Thanks for comments, the terrain scenario is thus... A 10 man IG Squad has 2 men stood at the end of a wall, my flamer can see those two but not the others. In aiming his flamer at those two the template covers other members of that IG squad (that cannot be seen from where the flamer is stood). Do i get to hit them or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Of course you do, as the Template Weapons section states that "the template must be placed to cover as many models as possible in the target unit..." There's no holding back, and since all the members are in the same unit, you must place it over them. For precedence, look at the Ruins section, pg 84. Here it says "casualties can be removed from anywhere in the squad, including models completely out of the firer's sight." Lastly, consider on the next page, a flamer template is placed, hitting a model out of LOS to the firer (because of the floor). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jangalak Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Thanks Seahawk, that is top advice and I think it settles a long running arguement once and for all! I will toast some IG in your honor, cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2140612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonham1963 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Check page 29 (BRB), regarding template weapons. The unit under the template gets no cover. You also can shoot the template and assault, the survivors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2142146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Check page 29 (BRB), regarding template weapons. The unit under the template gets no cover. You also can shoot the template and assault, the survivors. And if the opponent removes those two models as casualties, could you still assault any survivors by charging around the wall?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2143013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Is this a regular wall, or a wall in Ruins? If the former, no. If the latter, you can just move through the wall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2143060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelmage99 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Check page 29 (BRB), regarding template weapons. The unit under the template gets no cover. You also can shoot the template and assault, the survivors. And if the opponent removes those two models as casualties, could you still assault any survivors by charging around the wall?? Assuming you are in range, yes. LOS isnt required for a succesfull assault in 40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2145515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Check page 29 (BRB), regarding template weapons. The unit under the template gets no cover. You also can shoot the template and assault, the survivors. And if the opponent removes those two models as casualties, could you still assault any survivors by charging around the wall?? Assuming you are in range, yes. LOS isnt required for a succesfull assault in 40K. I was about to quote page and paragraph to you. And then discovered I had nothing to quote. This has come as a bit of a shock I must say. Well done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180748-flamers/#findComment-2149542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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