Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hey all who are reading this! I've made my introduction post in the stickied topic, so I'll keep this intro short! But to make it clear, I have no real knowledge of the game and its rules *YET!*. I've been taking peaks at the rulebook when I can, but without actually playing a trial game *lack of time, for now, keeps me from this* its still very confusing to me. But to begin, I was curious with a few things! I purchased the Assault on Black Reach set, would I be able to use these models in a Space Wolf army? Or would that require a moderate amount of modification to make them fit in an army? I also purchased a Wolf Pack box, but that remains unassembled as I wouldn't know which weapons to put on the models and really don't want to ruin them before I have any idea whats going on ;). So I guess what I was wondering is if there are any good recommended setups with the Wolf Pack box I bought? *PS, why are all of the heads so fugly?! I demand more helmets!* Anyway! I had more questions but apparently they all decided to be forgotten! If I can think of any I'll be adding them.. thanks for taking the time to read this and any help would be greatly appreciated! ~Sin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You can use them as unbitzed wolves, probably grey hunters and a dred/vendred. you won't look wolfy beyond your paint scheme, but its a start. I think everything in there should still work for the overall wolves dex, but you may want to study how the game works and think about how you want to change/upgrade especially with a wolf lord/wolf guard battle leader or rune priest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hey all who are reading this! I've made my introduction post in the stickied topic, so I'll keep this intro short! But to make it clear, I have no real knowledge of the game and its rules *YET!*. I've been taking peaks at the rulebook when I can, but without actually playing a trial game *lack of time, for now, keeps me from this* its still very confusing to me. But to begin, I was curious with a few things! I purchased the Assault on Black Reach set, would I be able to use these models in a Space Wolf army? Or would that require a moderate amount of modification to make them fit in an army? I also purchased a Wolf Pack box, but that remains unassembled as I wouldn't know which weapons to put on the models and really don't want to ruin them before I have any idea whats going on ;). So I guess what I was wondering is if there are any good recommended setups with the Wolf Pack box I bought? *PS, why are all of the heads so fugly?! I demand more helmets!* Anyway! I had more questions but apparently they all decided to be forgotten! If I can think of any I'll be adding them.. thanks for taking the time to read this and any help would be greatly appreciated! ~Sin Nearly all space marine models can be used from any of the box sets as fill ins for most basic troops. The black reach box set can be altered to be chaos, space marine verrants with a few bits added on or some putty work. Even a paint job will do to fit your army colors. As for choices the best advice you can get when starting is pick an HQ model and build around them start with two troop choices, 1 elite and 1 heavy. And work your way up from there. -Since you already have 2+ troops 1 elite and a HQ proxy fig.. Your pretty much good to go go for small skirmishes around 500-800pts. Most players will be willing to teach you the basics and advanced tactics and rules if you ask. The Black Reach box is a great way to learn the game since you have orcs and space marines to use for battles. In addtion find a local game store or group of players that play warhammer 40k and go in on the days they play so you can learn by watching and then eventually field your own models or if your lucky someone will allow you to use thier models and teach you. Watching is a great way to learn as well as reading to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Thank you very much for the responses guys! I've actually been hoping to go into the nearby store *its not very local :D* when they play, but they play on a day I usually work on! Though the good news is work is going to slow down soon! As for the HQ choice, out of the HQ's I see on the GW site, the ones that look the most appealing *visibly that is.. statistically, I don't know whats good yet* are Wolf Priest Ulrik and the Space Wolf Rune Priest. Do you think I should hold off on assembling the wolf pack box until I know a bit more? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well, I can tell you that a solid setup for a Grey Hunter squad (which is what your first Wolf Pack box should become) is: 9 Grey Hunters - one with Mark of the Wulfen, one with a Meltagun, one with a Wolf Standard, and the rest armed normally (bolter/pistol/close combat weapon) 1 Wolf Guard armed with a Combi-Melta (you may have to make this weapon yourself) and Power Fist (or Thunder Hammer if you wish). This pack works great in a Rhino or Drop Pod and is very self-sufficient. If fielding it on foot, add a 10th Grey Hunter armed with a Meltagun or Flamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Gotta disagree with posts so far.. the Assault on Black reach models are totally unsuitable for Space Wolves. Even with bitz to try and help them, you would have to remove alot of the stuff thats already on them. The only thing from that box thats worth the effort is the dread, and even then... Your better off doing an e-bay search for the mini rulebook and spending that money on actual wolf models. I picked one up for $10, I think you can get one for $15 online? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Gotta disagree with posts so far.. the Assault on Black reach models are totally unsuitable for Space Wolves. Even with bitz to try and help them, you would have to remove alot of the stuff thats already on them. The only thing from that box thats worth the effort is the dread, and even then... Your better off doing an e-bay search for the mini rulebook and spending that money on actual wolf models. I picked one up for $10, I think you can get one for $15 online? Well its too late for that :unsure: Already bought it! At least I only paid $60! Came up with another question! Is there anyway to find some helmeted heads without buying another boxed set of something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Oh well. Just keep them together, and switch them out as soon as you get enough wolf models. I am in the opposite situation, I have a ton of models I dont need anymore that I have to get rid of. Helmed heads? Try battlewagon bitz (look it up online). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Gotta disagree with posts so far.. the Assault on Black reach models are totally unsuitable for Space Wolves. Even with bitz to try and help them, you would have to remove alot of the stuff thats already on them. The only thing from that box thats worth the effort is the dread, and even then... Your better off doing an e-bay search for the mini rulebook and spending that money on actual wolf models. I picked one up for $10, I think you can get one for $15 online? They aren't unusable, they just have.... nella gunk on them Honestly if it saves some money in the start for what is a very expensive hobby, I say go for it. He has years to collect some proper boxes or try playing with greenstuff. We all make due as best we can with what we can afford brother, I think the pup should be just fine for now. If nothing else just take all the 'nella iconography and try scraping it off with an exacto knife or crossing it out, or just leave bad battle damage in those places. Good modeling practice. Just remember pup there is always a way to make it work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Oh well. Just keep them together, and switch them out as soon as you get enough wolf models. I am in the opposite situation, I have a ton of models I dont need anymore that I have to get rid of. Helmed heads? Try battlewagon bitz (look it up online). Thanks for the advice :unsure: I looked up the battlewagon bitz, found I could get 10 regular tactical marine heads for like $1-2.. would that be acceptable to use on Space Wolf models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2140992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Not really. They should have space wolf heads... Pick up a box of grey hunters/blood claws. A ton of extra heads on the sprue. Guess I am a purist with modeling. I like to do it right from the start. Of course, I also hate painting.. so if I had to assemble, paint, use, then assemble and paint a whole other unit to replace the first... no thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Not really. They should have space wolf heads... Pick up a box of grey hunters/blood claws. A ton of extra heads on the sprue. Guess I am a purist with modeling. I like to do it right from the start. Of course, I also hate painting.. so if I had to assemble, paint, use, then assemble and paint a whole other unit to replace the first... no thanks. True, but he has the minis, they are going to be his no matter what. May as well save money and model them as is now, then see about shelving/trading them later if he so chooses while getting more Wolfy marines. Better to play the game with what you have than hold off until you can 'look the part'. It is about fun after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfpriest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Thanks for the advice smile.gif I looked up the battlewagon bitz, found I could get 10 regular tactical marine heads for like $1-2.. would that be acceptable to use on Space Wolf models? You could use them, but its just not wolfy. We have acute sense so that we can smell out our prey and wearing helmets takes away that awesome nose the we have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Better to play the game with what you have than hold off until you can 'look the part'. It is about fun after all. To each their own, I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I am also a purist with most things, within reason of course. On that site though they want $6 for the 5 heads from the Wolf Pack box :-X Was hoping for a more simple selection of possible standard space wolf heads >.< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Use the Assault on Black Reach models- I would at wolf bitz to your Dreadnaught and if possible to your terminators. The Missile Launcher is a Long Fang- it has to be, theres no one else who gets a ML in the army. I would buy a Tactical Squad and a SW Box as soon as possible, and use them to mix and match some "wolfy" models, and then put the AoBR models into their Packs as basic Grey Hunters and a flamer GH- that way you have a good mix of models, and one unit isnt singled out or overly static. The TDA can have a couple of uses.... you could use them as Pack Leaders for instance, and with some bitz from the plastic SM commander box you could give them some combi-weapons *though thatll take some cutting and gluing, but AoBR minis are pretty cheap and easy to come by, so Id risk it and consider it a lesson in modeling if your new*. So dont worry about it- nothing illegal about using those minis for other marines. Ive seen them painted as Ultras, BAs, DAs, Salamanders, Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and several Do-it-yourself armies. So paint them up and enjoy. In fact... I cant think of a better place to learn how to paint models, or to come up with a paint scheme than a single dollar marine. Thanks for the advice ^_^ I looked up the battlewagon bitz, found I could get 10 regular tactical marine heads for like $1-2.. would that be acceptable to use on Space Wolf models? Nothing wrong with helmets- SWs get to fight in vaacum, on poisonous worlds, etc just like any other chapter. Even if you read the SW books, while the characters dont wear them alot they ALWAYS have them on them, just in case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Thanks for the advice smile.gif I looked up the battlewagon bitz, found I could get 10 regular tactical marine heads for like $1-2.. would that be acceptable to use on Space Wolf models? You could use them, but its just not wolfy. We have acute sense so that we can smell out our prey and wearing helmets takes away that awesome nose the we have. Last edition I always had my GH in helms. I always saw them as the ones who were 'too old to be so reckless and not old enough to stop caring.' I think helms are perfectly Wolfy for a start, and if you want to change things later then just go ahead and do so. Heads are not going to make you look any more wolfy on their own, and the money you spend on heads now could be saved for a real wolf box later. Nothing wrong with being frugal about the hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 You guys are all awesome. Thank you so much for the help ^_^ So what I got for now is to basically work with what I have for a bit, learn the rules, play some small trial matches, and then build from there. I did plan on working my way out of the AoBR units after a while, I just figured I should use them temporarily :lol: I'm not sure why but I really dislike the faces on almost all models.. Its probably a fear of painting faces.. which is a fear on top of my fear of painting models in general. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You guys are all awesome. Thank you so much for the help ^_^ So what I got for now is to basically work with what I have for a bit, learn the rules, play some small trial matches, and then build from there. I did plan on working my way out of the AoBR units after a while, I just figured I should use them temporarily :lol: I'm not sure why but I really dislike the faces on almost all models.. Its probably a fear of painting faces.. which is a fear on top of my fear of painting models in general. :lol: Most 40k players will allow proxies as long as you use bases about the same size as the model you wish to use. Its a great way to field test a unit or two and see how they work and to see if you want to add them to your main list. When I help the new players out I allow them to field test proxies of units they are considering to use so they can better build thier force. Although this only works in casual games. If you want to do turney you have to make sure you have the models. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilhelm Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 There is absolutely nothing wrong with using the black reach models! If you can wolf them out a little bit with the old space wolf sprue, great, if not, don't sweat it. You may one day get around to replacing them as your modeling and painting skills improve, or maybe not. In 5 years, these may be your C and D squads that you pull out when you want to go infantry/foot slogging. Black reach marines are great looking models for the money, and it's money you've already spent. I wouldn't give it another thought. I still occasionally use old, ridiculous looking, 2nd edition space marine models when I'm running low on missile launchers or flamers. They look stunningly bad. But they are legal, and they make people laugh. I bought them 16 years ago, and it has taken me this long to phase them out. B) :P ;) I concur with Rokafort's Grey Hunter loadout with a MoW, Melta and Standard. Can't go wrong! We'll see a lot of that. But I like painting up a few guys with plasma guns, melta guns, and plasma pistols without specific pack markings so I can switch things up if I feel the need (of if the rules change, which does happen). Starting with 1 of each with unique pack shoulder pads is not a bad idea. Ditto for MoWs and Wolf Banners and the occasionally used power weapon. The only place you can get in trouble of "ruining" some models is with Wolf Guard pack leaders. Cheap and basic (plus a powerfist or something) is sometimes better. There are a lot of choices here, and some of them are exotic and expensive. Proxy once or twice if in doubt. Just remember that the 100 point guy with twin thunder hammers and Russ's Holy Snowboard may have a hard time earning back his points. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You guys are all awesome. Thank you so much for the help :lol: So what I got for now is to basically work with what I have for a bit, learn the rules, play some small trial matches, and then build from there. I did plan on working my way out of the AoBR units after a while, I just figured I should use them temporarily :D I'm not sure why but I really dislike the faces on almost all models.. Its probably a fear of painting faces.. which is a fear on top of my fear of painting models in general. :yes: Trust me, Im crap at painting faces myself- if you want something simple just paint them bronzed flesh, dot the eyes white with a medium brush, and then pupils black with a very fine brush, and paint the hair brown or straw-blonde. You can do that with a single coat of snakebite leather or basic yellow. It wont be golden-daemon, but were not going for that are we? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You guys are all awesome. Thank you so much for the help :lol: So what I got for now is to basically work with what I have for a bit, learn the rules, play some small trial matches, and then build from there. I did plan on working my way out of the AoBR units after a while, I just figured I should use them temporarily :D I'm not sure why but I really dislike the faces on almost all models.. Its probably a fear of painting faces.. which is a fear on top of my fear of painting models in general. :yes: Trust me, Im crap at painting faces myself- if you want something simple just paint them bronzed flesh, dot the eyes white with a medium brush, and then pupils black with a very fine brush, and paint the hair brown or straw-blonde. You can do that with a single coat of snakebite leather or basic yellow. It wont be golden-daemon, but were not going for that are we? Just how big is your 'medium' brush? I can't even do eyes with a 20/0 brush. I have to use a toothpick for crying out loud! Even then its hard to get the 'dot' in place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Lol... I dot the pupils with a single hair... medium brush is an 00, small details are a 000. Most of the paintjobs I do are just an 0. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintrix Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 So just to be sure, it would be acceptable for me to use the basic Tactical Marine helmeted heads I could get for pretty cheap? *I'd paste a link to them, but I don't know what the rules are on outside site links* :D In time I'll either add details to them if they seem to detract from the whole feel of the army, or just replace them entirely. Curious, what is the Mark of the Wulfen? Would that have to be a bit placed on the model itself? I really need to get out to that store >.< Also, what are the ways of telling the Wolf Guard and Grey Hunters apart? Just more elaborate armor and weaponry? Again, to everyone, thanks :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2141653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Outside links are usually ok, though links to Ebay tend to be tenous at best. Mark of the Wulfen is basicly when your person is succumbing to his inner desires and starts to turn into a were-wolf. This is a very bad thing. In game terms however it gives you d6+1 rending attacks instead of your normal attacks, so many players are choosing to ignore this fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180825-looking-for-some-starting-advice/#findComment-2142193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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