Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You know, maybe its simply because I don't hang around game shops much at this stage of my life, or because I was on such a long Hiatus from B&C, but it seems like every other chapter subboard is over-reacting to our new dex. I don't mean to be rude or bash them or anything, I can understand the chapter-supporting zeal and rally cries when we get a new dex and they don't. Still to log on and see so many people cheering and whooping it up simply because they beat a wolf list once or twice, or have found a few flaws in our dex. Doesn't it seem a bit funny? I mean sure we might gloat a bit every now and then about beating a DA list if they got a new dex tomorrow. After all they are our sworn... Knuckles the Echidna? I don't know what to call them anymore so I'm sticking with that. Still I think that would be as far as it got, some shield-banging from the DA and a few pups here cheering cause they just beat the skirts off of a brand new DA list. Lather rinse repeat for a week or two and there you go, done. Yet to read the kind of stuff posted all over B&C one would think that they had just smote a giant with nothing but a toothpick and the power of positive thinking every time we lose a game. It seems that the other loyalists have somehow built us up as some massive and powerful force within the game that must be stopped at all costs and that they can justify as less than them to exalt their own chapter. Its all friendly in nature so that isn't really too much of a problem for us, but when you look at it the things said seem to hold our chapter up in really high regards specifically because we 'aren't so tough'. Seriously, were they expecting Russ to jump out of the warp dragging Corax and Jager along for the ride swinging the fruit he was questing for over his head thereby saving the emperor and getting all of them to join the wolves as characters? Granted that would be pretty sweet but it ain't gonna happen.When exactly did we become the 5E loyalist chapter to beat? Why are so many brothers from other chapters putting so much of their time and effort specifically into explaining why our army is not as good as theirs. Don't they realize that the best way to 'prove' that to us or anyone else is to just play their own army and not show any signs that we stand out to them? I will admit brothers it is late and I am tired, but I find that very amusing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 There are other boards? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrathnar Flintfang Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Shocking, I know. Dark angels, Black Templars, Blood angels, even the Smurfs! And they are all excited that we are not totally and utterly invulnerable to damage 200% of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 The propaganda machines are in overdrive then. "The wolves are not coming, and if they are, we will beat them" "The wolves are not at the door, our armies have defeated them mercilessly" "The space wolves have not come for".... "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggh" *wolf howl* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 There's been lots of talk about the quality of the SW Codex, and it's a very, very good Codex. Considering the quality of the DA Codex, I think it's much better that players are excited about being able to still beat the Wolves, rather than moaning about how their gaming-life isn't fair. I just don't see the problem with people on other boards being happy about winning a game. Good luck to them and I hope they carry on enjoying their experiences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpsilver Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 There are other boards? This is disturbing news. ;) On the topic of complaints due to the apparent 'unfairness' of the Space Wolves dex'. Now I have nothing against people having a little victory dance for a win against a very fantastic codex, but when people start complaining that the wolves get more attention from Games Workshop.... that...is completely absurd. In all seriousness. None of them have the right to complain. Maybe BA since they don't really have a proper codex, but apart from that, No. None of the chapters of the space Marines deserved a new Codex more than the space Wolves. All of them have been released within the last 2-4 years. When was the last time the Wolves got an update? Back in 2000. Dark Angels 4th Edition Codex: Published Spring 2007. Black Templars 4th Edition Codex: Published 2005. Space Wolves 3rd Edition Codex: Published 2000 Blood Angels: Released in WD 329/330. 2008 Space Marines 5th Edition Codex: Published 2008 The little list really sums up all the rage against this dex as jealous devoted Chapter-Boys who are jealous they didn't get an update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well said, better to have the pro-actively trying to play a fun game and enjoying the wins and (many more) losses than to be bitching and moaning about the latest lashspam/bikerspam/zillaspam list which has been released. I think it's a testement to the quality of the list and yet how balanced the entries are. There is no point and click instant win option. ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 deleted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hrathnar Flintfang : im with you wtih this one , the ove reaction of some others is really .........well sickning.... Also Sharpsilver : The first print of the codex is actually in 1998 ? (i have that one i remember) The only diffrence is in some wordings here and there , so yeah SW needs a dex more than the other chapters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Has anyone actually said another chapter needed an update more than the Wolves did (not counting Grey Knights, that one could be argued)? Granted the Old wolf dex was more powerful than say, the current Dark Angels dex, but I think everyone has accepted for a long time the wolves needed an update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 its just the new codex rattle throwing when january comes, it will be i stomped the tyranids i am great or boo hoo the new codex is broken etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 its just the new dex rattle throwing come january itll be i zerged the nids arnt i supper and such guff clanfield, please re-type that. It is very hard to understand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 lol...is it bad that I understood it? ~O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I find it amusing that people are making such a big deal of being able to beat us. But it is much better than them complaining that the entire codex is entirely broken and useless. I mean I've always said that as long as you've got a good grasp of tactics and how to use your force then you should be able to beat any list (at least if your luck is average) Older codexes make it harder to win but it's still possible, you've had longer to learn its limitations and so on. In fact I'm tempted to use my 3rd ed dex some times just for kicks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 honestly speaking i am so fed up with all the moaning i realy considered using the dark angel dex with wolf figures just to throw something in people faces .then i sobered up and burnt the evil dress wearing codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 There lots of reason why there is such a furor over the dex. IMHO.... 1. Some dexes are also old (Dark Eldar, Necs) 2. Some dexes started off lackluster or became lackluster due to 5th or flavor being diluted by other's goodies 3. Excellent dexes make number 2. more envious (orks, guard, SW's, Codex boy marines) 4. Space wolves seem to have always had this stigma of cheesey since 2nd edition 5. Folks in 4. jump the gun on the current dex with the same sentiment (overreacting on at-first glance rules like JotWW) 6. Misery abounds when some SW players start making very strong list maximizing all the benefits. (long term SW players and band wagoners) 7. Lots of non marine players hate, as they see it, marine dex after marine dex(even though as a SW player I may have no desire to do anything with a vanilla codex). 8. Also due to 6, I think many lawyers start nit picking the list to "keep us in check" 9. DA vs Wolf thing, people get too much "into character". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 honestly speaking i am so fed up with all the moaning i realy considered using the dark angel dex with wolf figures just to throw something in people faces .then i sobered up and burnt the evil dress wearing codex <sigh> Is this really necessary? SW have got a great new Codex, arguably the best current SM Codex, and you're creating reasons to be unhappy. Just enjoy a little time in the GW-sun and revel in the newness of it all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I have to say though it is nice not needing that £20 marine codex to go with my wolf one. So as Ragnarok said I have little interest in the other marine codexes, you might as well consider us seperate from marines. Which in a way we are due to having our own codex but I understand that other races feel unloved because I think some of us forget that two weeks ago we were still using a nine year old dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 While I personally think Clanfield's response is over the top, I do understand his frustration. I can't imagine how gaming is going to go down. Even with our last set of rules I remember a player looking me dead in the face and saying "ooh you using SW's, they are the cheesiest thing on the planet". I couldn't help but laugh inside while he furious charged me off the board with his 4th ed. marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I remember when the TAU codex came out, everyone at the stores complained that they were over powered with all the crisis suits they could take, the ability to jump up and down behind cover to fire and such. The new SW codex removed some cool rules that the SW had and gave them some new ones. Until there are consistant results coming in on battles fought, there is really no way to determine if the new codex is too powerful or broken. Besides as Clanfield said, the new 'nids codex comes out in January, our codex will be old hat by then and everyone and probably some of us will be complaining about how over powered it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 @brother amarel if youve been waiting for a codex as long as we have then you get the all of this kinda critical thinking combined with everone and there cat jumping on the band wagon and further more a whole storm of counts as armys using our dex im sorry to say i got a bit anoyed of my local group 5 players 3 swoped out codexs this month to the wolves haveing played that group for 10 years plus as a wolf it kinda irked me a bit . the dark angel dex which seems to get so much flak thrown at it appealed to me as it was subpar proving skill and will power over new and shiney then i had a cup of tea and decided not to apologys if i came over a bit strong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I remember when the TAU codex came out, everyone at the stores complained that they were over powered with all the crisis suits they could take, the ability to jump up and down behind cover to fire and such. The new SW codex removed some cool rules that the SW had and gave them some new ones. Until there are consistant results coming in on battles fought, there is really no way to determine if the new codex is too powerful or broken. Every codex that comes out (other than Dark Angels) has people complaining its overpowered. Is this dex overpowered? Too soon to say. Like most, it will probably be dominant for a little while then people will adjust to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuro Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Seriously, were they expecting Russ to jump out of the warp dragging Corax and Jager along for the ride swinging the fruit he was questing for over his head thereby saving the emperor and getting all of them to join the wolves as characters? Not that im aware of. Also all of the questions you asked, you answered in your own post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 @brother amarel if youve been waiting for a codex as long as we have then you get the all of this kinda critical thinking combined with everone and there cat jumping on the band wagon and further more a whole storm of counts as armys using our dex im sorry to say i got a bit anoyed of my local group 5 players 3 swoped out codexs this month to the wolves haveing played that group for 10 years plus as a wolf it kinda irked me a bit . the dark angel dex which seems to get so much flak thrown at it appealed to me as it was subpar proving skill and will power over new and shiney then i had a cup of tea and decided not to apologys if i came over a bit strong People always get drawn to the new shiny things ;). The long waits don't bother me as much as I've got a few armies on the go (including SW, DH, DA & CSM), and all the people trying out new armies when they appear is part of the fun (they might find that they've been playing the wrong army all this time :)), but it does seem a shame not to enjoy yourself as much possible with the arrival of the new Codex after such a long wait. If people are crowing about beating the Wolves, it's because you're held in high regard; if new people are playing Wolf armies, it's because they want to emulate you; if people are doing everything they can to beat you, then you're learning more from each game. When another new Codex comes out, as Rags says, people will shift all of their feelings on to that (be it the need to moan, to need to play as or the need to beat at all costs) :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well is it safe for me to collect some guard now without me being called a bandwagoner? But in all seriousnes if people are here because of shininess then in three months time they will have moved on. If they're here for the long haul then brilliant! More people to indulge in the fluff with. All of them will be welcomed y me and I will continue to laugh at those amazed they can beat us because I knew we would not be invincible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180859-well-i-dont-know-what-they-were-expecting/#findComment-2141525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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