White Hunter Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 What does everyone think is the best type of WG to run with Ragnar Power Armor or TDA? TDA: + cheaper wargear, more survivable, possible heavy weapons -No sweeping advances PA: +Sweeping advances -expensive wargear, and less survivable? How beneficial is it to keep the ability to sweeping advance vs survivablity? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sicarius Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 not sure witch is best, but remember to consider transport space as well, as you want that unit to be in your opponents face asap :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2142991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 yeah, they'll be getting a Land raider that they can assault out of either way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2142994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 In the case of them being n a landraider I would say 2 TDA and 5 PA WG to keep your attack numbers high... but thats just me. Id put the PFs and THs on the TDA, and give the PA guys some WCs and the occaisional storm shield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2142996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scy Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 9 WG with SS and wolf claw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Take at least one TDA model, if you win combat you will always be sure that that unit (if it fails LD if possible) it will keep running until its of the board.Comes in handy against all Space marine armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 i take 4-5 pa wg with power wepons not much stands a chance against a blackmaine charge and it fits in a rhino nice an cheap Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 10 of them. With Frost Blades and Wolf Claws, and 2 Thunder Hammer models. And a Wolf Priest. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Why wolf guard? Either troop choice should do enough damage pretty much always. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 A Wolf Preist. :tu: That's a given. Then I'd say basic WG, just as ablative wounds for Ragnar. All that's left is a High S hitter for stopping Dread Tarpits. Some might consider upgrading a WG to Arjak, as the Extra attacks on the charge from Ragnar are awesome, and he'll cut thorugh Dreadies. As for why base WG, 2 attacks base over GH, for 3 points more. Plus you don't want Bolters on them anyway. ;) BC's aren't as good, as they might lose out on thier charge attacks. Base WG to keep the points down, as you really don't need to give them anything. Ragnar will kill everyone on his own, with the Wolf Priest picking up the dregs if he doesn't. If you use a Crusader, you might want to consider Ragnars two Wolves as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I think the Wolf Priest is better used elsewhere. Ragnar and his unit will devestate pretty much anything. I say 10(ish) WG in PA, with 2 Thunderhammer, and maybe a PW or two if ya want. The unit is already gonna destroy anything it charges, so try to keep it as cheap as you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 In the case of them being n a landraider I would say 2 TDA and 5 PA WG to keep your attack numbers high... but thats just me. Id put the PFs and THs on the TDA, and give the PA guys some WCs and the occaisional storm shield. I like this option. Should be really nasty on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Realistically, 4x with Wolf Claws and 1x with a Chain Fist (or two fists, -1 WC). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2143264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I think the Wolf Priest is better used elsewhere. Ragnar and his unit will devestate pretty much anything. I say 10(ish) WG in PA, with 2 Thunderhammer, and maybe a PW or two if ya want. The unit is already gonna destroy anything it charges, so try to keep it as cheap as you can. I'll go with Redbaron here. If you are going to use a Land Raider to transport them safely, and you are adding Ragnar, then you are already more or less guarantee to wreck house with the unit. Just try to balance effectiveness with the already high cost of the unit (about 500 points for just Ragnar and the Land Raider, before you even by the Guard). Keep them all in Power Armour and take only one or two high-strength weapons like a Fist or Hammer. Give one or two a Power Weapon, Wolf Claw, Frost Blade, or MotW, but keep at least 6 of them as regular guys with nothing more than Bolt Pistol and CCWs. With 4-6 attacks each on the charge, even your regular guys will have an impact on a close combat. My opinion is not to bother with putting the Wolf Priest in here, too. Sure, he will make them even more devastating, but it is pretty-much overkill, really. Instead, use the Wolf Priest for your second Assault Force. You certainly don't want Ragnar's guys to be your only hard-hitting unit. As for me, I think I'm just going to keep Ragnar with a pack of Grey Hunters. They are almost as good as the Wolf Guard (just one less attack each), are slightly cheaper, and are still a Scoring unit. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 10 of them. With Frost Blades and Wolf Claws, and 2 Thunder Hammer models. And a Wolf Priest. :blush: Why in midgard would you ever, ever, ever take a Frost Blade and a Wolf Claw on the same model? What madness is this??? @Valerian: if you give WG bolters, like GHs have... they have the exact same attacks even. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The Wolf PRiest should be a given. Seriously. For a unit that you're tooling out specifically for CC, the Prefered Enemy is an absolute must. Especially to continue to rack up Ragnars kills from round to round. It would suck to charge out of the LR, and Ragnar to roll a load of 1's and 2's. No kills on him, and no extra attacks next round. The Wolf Priest can also be used as a tiny Storm Shield for ablative wounds as well. Well, a Wolf PRiest, or Logan. But logan takes up more space in your LR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The Wolf PRiest should be a given. Seriously. For a unit that you're tooling out specifically for CC, the Prefered Enemy is an absolute must. Especially to continue to rack up Ragnars kills from round to round. It would suck to charge out of the LR, and Ragnar to roll a load of 1's and 2's. No kills on him, and no extra attacks next round. The Wolf Priest can also be used as a tiny Storm Shield for ablative wounds as well. Well, a Wolf PRiest, or Logan. But logan takes up more space in your LR. With that many attacks what will you send it against that would require it? Save 10 TH+SS termies and Lysander, or a Green Tide I really just cant see it being needed- hell kill everything else in record time anyways. Logan should never, ever be considered a "Storm Shield" or "Ablative wound". Ever. His versatility is amazing, and his points cost far to high to condone such treatment. Lastly the WP only gets preferred enemy against 1 unit type, wich may prove useless if your opponent is smart- Infantry is great, but when you get hit by that 10 man Vangaurd squad itll be less than worthless. No. Ragnar is a badass, let him do his thing and get on with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 @Valerian: if you give WG bolters, like GHs have... they have the exact same attacks even. Yeah, that's true (but I don't think anyone would trade Pistols for Guns if they wanted them to run with Ragnar in a Land Raider). The Wolf PRiest should be a given. Seriously. For a unit that you're tooling out specifically for CC, the Prefered Enemy is an absolute must. Especially to continue to rack up Ragnars kills from round to round. It would suck to charge out of the LR, and Ragnar to roll a load of 1's and 2's. No kills on him, and no extra attacks next round. Still disagree. Sure it would be a bit dissapointing, and a little underwhelming, but it still isn't worth including a 100+ point character in this unit, when it already runs around 700 points already. Even if Ragnar performs poorly, and only gets a couple of kills, his companions will do just fine. I'll reiterate, use the Wolf Priest on one of your other assault force units (like Sky Claws) to boost a unit that actually could use the assistance. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well , I am running Ragnar with 10 WG in Power Armor with one using a TH and 2 Power Fists and then 4 Power Weapons, rest connon fodder to keep them going. All in a LandRaiderCrusader. Backing up 2 Fully Tricked out Grey Hunter packs and a Las Cannon Long Fang pack with a Razorback(twin Las), and 5 Scouts. It's just under 1850. The goal of course is to draw a ton of fire on the LRC and hopefully get it where it needs to be for Ragnar to kill a few squads and contest objectives. Mean Time the GH packs move on Objectives and the Long Fangs Tank/Big'uns hunt. And of course the scouts try and find something they can toast or atleast contest something. I am not too sure I like this new codex that much really. WG are alot cheaper, but Scouts are too expensive along with Blood Claws. Still I am tring to make do with what I have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 With that many attacks what will you send it against that would require it? Save 10 TH+SS termies and Lysander, or a Green Tide I really just cant see it being needed- hell kill everything else in record time anyways. Logan should never, ever be considered a "Storm Shield" or "Ablative wound". Ever. His versatility is amazing, and his points cost far to high to condone such treatment. Lastly the WP only gets preferred enemy against 1 unit type, wich may prove useless if your opponent is smart- Infantry is great, but when you get hit by that 10 man Vangaurd squad itll be less than worthless. No. Ragnar is a badass, let him do his thing and get on with it. Logan for anothe roption for Prefered enemy. :P Nto 275 points worth of ablative wounds! :P The Prefered Enemy reroll is useful versus *everything* (for the type chosen). Even 5 man squads. As what you want to do is maximise Ragnars personal killing prowess, not the units. He goes first, and kills as much as possible, to get the bonus extra attacks next phase. And the reroll is invaluable there! ;) Agreed that Prefered Enemy: Infantry is limited. But what else would you choose for it, that you're going to send Ragnar against? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 With that many attacks what will you send it against that would require it? Save 10 TH+SS termies and Lysander, or a Green Tide I really just cant see it being needed- hell kill everything else in record time anyways. Logan should never, ever be considered a "Storm Shield" or "Ablative wound". Ever. His versatility is amazing, and his points cost far to high to condone such treatment. Lastly the WP only gets preferred enemy against 1 unit type, wich may prove useless if your opponent is smart- Infantry is great, but when you get hit by that 10 man Vangaurd squad itll be less than worthless. No. Ragnar is a badass, let him do his thing and get on with it. Logan for anothe roption for Prefered enemy. B) Nto 275 points worth of ablative wounds! ;) The Prefered Enemy reroll is useful versus *everything* (for the type chosen). Even 5 man squads. As what you want to do is maximise Ragnars personal killing prowess, not the units. He goes first, and kills as much as possible, to get the bonus extra attacks next phase. And the reroll is invaluable there! :P Agreed that Prefered Enemy: Infantry is limited. But what else would you choose for it, that you're going to send Ragnar against? Answer: I wouldnt. I dont think using him, a rock hard combat squad, and a priest are neede altogether. At most- run him and a wolfpriest... and thats it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 Do Ragnar's wolves count as ablative wounds for Ragnar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpsilver Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Do Ragnar's wolves count as ablative wounds for Ragnar? As far as I'm aware so, Yes. 20pts for two more wounds is a deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 Yeah, they would be great for soaking up those power fist attacks that Ragnar can't get to turn one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 how about 10 wolfguard with 10 plasma pistols, and 10 frostblades in a crusader with 2 wolves, only down side is the over heating crazyness that could occur, but t 480 for the squad it has lots of attacks at str6 on the charge, so you can easily take out a dread if you dont blow a hole in it with the pp's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/180979-what-is-the-best-type-of-wg-to-run-with-ragnar/#findComment-2144519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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