Beef Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Kanis beat jorick the giant and dragged him back to the fang The fight between Kanis and Wolflord harold deathwolf was close. Ok when he beet joric the giant jorek was on a lone hunt so he must have been a senior member of harolds pack, (ie wolf gaurd or wolf gaurd leader) What makes no sence is how can a Fenrision man (ok raised by wolves but still a man) beat up a SW wolf gaurd and nearly beat a fully fledged sw lord?? thats just poor writing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Kanis beat jorick the giant and dragged him back to the fang The fight between Kanis and Wolflord harold deathwolf was close. Ok when he beet joric the giant jorek was on a lone hunt so he must have been a senior member of harolds pack, (ie wolf gaurd or wolf gaurd leader) What makes no sence is how can a Fenrision man (ok raised by wolves but still a man) beat up a SW wolf gaurd and nearly beat a fully fledged sw lord?? thats just poor writing Okay, before you carry this on too much further. The individual space wolf stories are apocryphal and listed as such. The whole point of them is to give you an idea of the space wolves' characters, and not to be a believeable account of events. If you can't get your head around that, think tall tales. Leman Russ did not catch the largest kraken on fenris and throw it back because it was too small. Something happened though, and it was enough that in space wolf folklore, that tale becomes part of his saga. If you can understand the above, and I assure you that is the designer's intention and the creative writers were obviously told as much, then you will stop looking for plot holes and start appreciating them for what they are meant to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/#findComment-2143240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 agreed, it would have made more sense if he had beaten up an aspirant on the tirals of morkai than a wolf guard... and i had a similar discussion with a friend about quite how badly a wolf lord (even unarmed and unarmoured) would have beaten up a human... it would effectively be man against child, the marine is far stronger, quicker and tougher than any unaugmented person. as you say smacks of poor writing, but there is a fair bit of that in recent codexes with regards to abckground fluff for characters and units +EDIT+ maznaz, you refer to their sagas and fireside tales recounting their past exploits. this is the characters fluff, it is different, and is meant to explain their roles, personality and background history. it is not written as their saga, and is not meant to be an exageration of the fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/#findComment-2143243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 its a funny tale to be sure his being found by a pack as a child is true to the omited russ story (coinsidece?)more like he was of with the curse and came to his senses in the lair of some wolves just my take on it but it fits kinda Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/#findComment-2143251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 +EDIT+ maznaz, you refer to their sagas and fireside tales recounting their past exploits. this is the characters fluff, it is different, and is meant to explain their roles, personality and background history. it is not written as their saga, and is not meant to be an exageration of the fact. But by definition that's what "fluff" is. The space wolves fluff is there for the sole purpose of giving character and background. It's open to interpretation, but as the codex clearly states that most space wolf tales are apocryphal, I think it's a fair assumption that this braggardly style was the basis for all the writing in the book. It would get a bit tiresome to have to write "or at least that's what he said happened" after every passage. I personally really like that approach and think it's a bit strange to automatically assume that the stories are poorly written and ill-thought out instead of in character. Each to their own, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/#findComment-2143265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 They are like the old camp fire tales and boasting that goes on in bars. Everyone tries to out do the other and each time a story is retold it gets further from the truth. Spend any time in an office and listen to the gossip and rumors that fly around. There may be a thread of truth but mostly it's all conjecture and spin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/#findComment-2143288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 One of the oldest Norse traditions was the brag, it's where we get the word bragging from in modern English. The idea was to take a story and big it up, often during the long winter months the Norse would have bragging contests. I think GW are taking that tradition and using it in the Wolf codex quite nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181008-something-that-does-not-jibe-part-2/#findComment-2143376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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