Milchmann Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hey there, 'been toying around with the new Codex and trying to find some nifty configurations for the HQs 'n stuff. I am especially having difficulties with the configuration of the generic Wolf Lord. To me, mainly the following two problems occur: - Frost Blade or Wolf Claw? I have no real idea, what is better; +1A and +1S or rerolls for to-hit or to-wound rolls. - Storm Shield and/or Runic Armour and/or Belt of Russ? In my gaming career the 2+ Save has saved the life of my commanders more often than a 4++ or even 3++. I don't know, maybe it's the opponents I send them after, but the T5 and 2+/4++ of my Biker-Captain with Relic Blade and Artificier Armour has always proven to be the bane of my enemy and never but once died. To a lesser daemon. Anyway, my builds are: - Thunder Wolf, Wolf Claw / Frost Blade, Runic Armour - Thunder Wolf, Wolf Claw, Storm Shield - Thunder Wolf, Frost Blade, Belt of Russ Toss in the Saga of the Warrior Born, and/or Melta Bombs, and/or Combi-Weapons and you're good to go. So whaddaya think? What would be your answers to my two questions above? What build would you prefer and why? Thanks in advance, Milchmann Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I am looking at taking the following: Thunderwolf Mount Frost Axe (confers +1 S) Runic Armor wolftooth Necklace (hits on 3+) Saga of the Wolfborn (stacking attacks on assaults) I am on the fence about taking a Storm Shield or keeping the bolt pistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well, the storm shield is expensive but well worth it.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Okay, I would suggest the frost blade, it is cheaper, and is better than a single Wolf Claw (IN MY OPINION). Pair it with a SS and you have alot of solid attacks, and a guy who is a SOB to kill. That being said... If I was going with a Wolf Lord on a Thunder wolf Mounts I would use a TH+SS combo with saga of the bear. It is really expensive (I'm a fan of expensive) but it has 5 S10 attacks (6 on the Charge), a 3++ save, and the ability to go take 3 S10 wounds and live. just my 2 cents Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milchmann Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 White Hunter: How is a Frost Blade with 5/3 Grey Hunters cheaper than a single Wolf Claw with 4/3 Grey Hunters? Also, isn't the reroll of to-hit or to-wound rolls mathematically better than th strength bonus? Furthermore, my point with the runic armour, is that you're normally going to fight more normal guys than power weapon guys, aren't you? So the 2+ (and occasional 4++) should help you more, no? Could someone please math-hammer it out? Claw vs. Blade and Runic Armour vs. Storm Shield? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Sorry, I was thinking that the frost blade is cheaper than dual wolf claw's not a single. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjugin Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Math hammer says: With equal number of attacks, wolf claw is better in all cases (except vehicles). Though 2 wolf claws are alot of points, and the differnece isnt that big. When comparing 1 wolf claw vs frost blade + bolt pistol, the frost blade commes out on top (especially if you ride a thunder wolf). My suggestions: Take either a cheaper lord with frost blade or a more expensive lord with wolf claw + storm shield. If you are using a storm shield, the frost blade becomes a more expensive and poorer choice than claw. If you are not using storm shield, the frost blade becomes a slightly worse but alot cheaper option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milchmann Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 Nice! That was te kind of advice I was looking for. Great, thanks fjugin! EDIT: Just looked over the description of the Saga of the Warrior Born. It says, I get a bonus attack for every unsaved wound inflicted to the enemy in the previous assault phase. Okay, now, a bonus on top of the basic attack value or on top of the attacks he had in the previous assault phase? Imagine that: Wolf Lord with Frost Blade on Thunder Wolf. Seven attacks when charging, four dead MEQ -> four extra attacks = 10 attacks on the next CC-phase (11 on the next charge)*. Now he kills approximately six guys, equaling in six extra attacks. So far, so good. In his next phase, does he get 16(/17) or 12(/13) attacks? *: Does it have to be the very previous phase or can he slay four guys in round 2 and get the four bonus attacks in his next assault, even if it is in round 6? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milchmann Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 Okay, I edited it, but this thread hasn't gone up in the list. (You guys should really add this function). So, sorry for double-posting, but I didn't want my latest question to be dragged down and stay unread. Milchmann Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Math hammer says: With equal number of attacks, wolf claw is better in all cases (except vehicles). Though 2 wolf claws are alot of points, and the differnece isnt that big. When comparing 1 wolf claw vs frost blade + bolt pistol, the frost blade commes out on top (especially if you ride a thunder wolf). My suggestions: Take either a cheaper lord with frost blade or a more expensive lord with wolf claw + storm shield. If you are using a storm shield, the frost blade becomes a more expensive and poorer choice than claw. If you are not using storm shield, the frost blade becomes a slightly worse but alot cheaper option. So does a wolflord or marine equiped with a storm shield + (Powerfist, Thunder hammer or wolfclaw) Gain the bonus attack for having two close combat weapons? Silly question Anyhow on a wolflord taking the +3 to hit in close combat why? Your WS is so high that most of the creatures you face you will be able to hit them in close combat at a 3+.... Its only the few characters and or monstrious creatures you run into that you will need to hit on a 4..... Rarely higher. + Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 White Hunter: How is a Frost Blade with 5/3 Grey Hunters cheaper than a single Wolf Claw with 4/3 Grey Hunters? Also, isn't the reroll of to-hit or to-wound rolls mathematically better than th strength bonus? Furthermore, my point with the runic armour, is that you're normally going to fight more normal guys than power weapon guys, aren't you? So the 2+ (and occasional 4++) should help you more, no? Could someone please math-hammer it out? Claw vs. Blade and Runic Armour vs. Storm Shield? A 2+ save would help you more except in the description of runic armour it says that the character wearing the armour gets a ward save against psychic attacks do to the runes. i dont think the 2+ can be used against say power weapons or instant death attacks. and being as the SS only provides the save in close combat i take the belt of russ, even though it is'nt the best IS it is'nt limited to when it can be used replace every time i said ward save with IS. been playing fantasy to much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambeul Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Actually I think that the Storm Shield now applies to Shooting as well as Hant to Hand. pg. 62 Storm Shield - A model with a Storm Shield has a 3+ invunerable save. pg. 62 Belt of Russ - the bearer of the BoR has a 4+ invunerable save. So what you are looing at is a 3++ vs. 4++ with additional CCW, but if you have a SC, TH, or PF then I would go with the SS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2144768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 If my Lord rides Thunderwolf and I'm definitely giving him a Storm Shield, would a Wolf Claw still be a better choice? STR6 or STR5 with re-rolls? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2145719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahl02 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 If my Lord rides Thunderwolf and I'm definitely giving him a Storm Shield, would a Wolf Claw still be a better choice? STR6 or STR5 with re-rolls? On a Thunderwolf the Wolf Claws would be better. You get a reroll on to hit or to wound, and if you assalt a tank you get to reroll to hit and have a better chance of penetrating. Oh and I just noticed that the Wolf Claws are 5 points cheaper than the frost blade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2145721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 If your only gonna take 1 WC, then the Frost Blade wins usually as you will get the extra attack. If your gonna take WCs, take a pair. If your gonna take a Frost Blade, take a bolt pistol (Or plasma pistol, you know you do have that awesome BS 5, its ok to use it) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181104-wolf-claw-or-frost-blade/#findComment-2145836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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