Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 for anyone who knows norse mythology, they would know that rockfist is like thor, and njal like odin etc, what i hope happens in a few year times is for our next special character to be like magni, sone of thor, magni was a bit like herculese... the thing is, thor wears a belt that doubles his strength, and thor was suposedly the only one who could lift his hammer.... that was until his son wanted to use it one day, magni was thee strongest of all the norse gods, (i name my wolflord magni whenever i field him with dual thunderhammers), now if anyone ever had the 2nd ed codex they would remember there was a special character loosely based on magni, i believe he was ragnars champion, i think he was str7 standard and toughness 5, all i can say, is i'd love to see him appear in 5-10 years time, he was the strongest marine ever and i sorely miss him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 The long fangs may have to correct me on this, but I believe that was Raulf. He died holding a pass against wave after wave of orks. He killed so many he was worshiped as a god of war by the orks who built a shrine to him on the spot. At least that is what I think happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Would have loved to be able to use Ranulf, but I think bringing him back is the worst thing they could do. I know GW tend to forget and re-do their fluff, but he and his pack were (i think) the only people ever not to have been desecrated after a loss to Orks. I've been thinking about doing a tribute to him for my wolves, make a single WG as a True-scale marine, he wouldn't be a character but would sure as hell stand out(top of a standard marine's head would be about at his chest) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 hmm i guess the closest we can get is to have a wolf lord with 2 frostblades giving him strength 6 (until faq clears up the wording on that) and runic armour wtn, bor, saga of the bear. model him with tda since he has the 2+ from runic, so that you can field a lord with frost blades in tda. @220 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 hmm i guess the closest we can get is to have a wolf lord with 2 frostblades giving him strength 6 (until faq clears up the wording on that) and runic armour wtn, bor, saga of the bear. model him with tda since he has the 2+ from runic, so that you can field a lord with frost blades in tda. @220 points XD Put him on a Thunderwolf, gives you an excuse to put him on a bigger base and really make him massive, aswell as adding +1S and +1T Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 On Ranulf: "Ranulf is said to be the largest warrior of all of the Space Wolves, larger in girth and mightier of arm than even Leman Russ. His Terminator armour now stands in the Hall of Heroes, towering over all who look upon it. Ranulf performed many feats of strength. Once, when his squad was trapped by a river of lava, Ranulf pushed the wreckage of a Land Raider into the molten stream so that his pack could cross." "The story of Ranulf's death is told at great length in his saga. The Space Wolves were retreating over a narrow mountain pass following a rare defeat at the hands of the Orks. When the Orks caught up with the end of the Space Wolves' column, Ranulf and a handful of Wolf Guard made a gallant stand against the entire Ork army in a narrow gap in the pass. While the few warriors held back thousands of Orks, the remaining Space Wolves made it back to safety.... Before many hours were past there was a pile of Ork bodies as high as a wall. But even the giant Space Wolves warrior could not hold out forever. One by one his Wolf Guard fell, unitl only Ranulf was left. Though the Orks overcame him in the end, even those creatures could not bring themselves to desecrate his body. When the Space Wolves recovered the pass they found Ranulf and his dead companions seated in a hastily constructed shrine surrounded by an immense pile of Ork wargear. To the Space Wolves Ranulf was a great Champion - but t his enemies he had become nothing less than a god." Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 hmm i guess the closest we can get is to have a wolf lord with 2 frostblades giving him strength 6 (until faq clears up the wording on that) and runic armour wtn, bor, saga of the bear. model him with tda since he has the 2+ from runic, so that you can field a lord with frost blades in tda. @220 points XD Put him on a Thunderwolf, gives you an excuse to put him on a bigger base and really make him massive, aswell as adding +1S and +1T no just pay the points and use it as an excuse for needing such a large base, + then he would be a massive terminator with 12" charge range, just leave him buy him self, it will be like the movie 300, except that it's called 1. hehe that makes him ws_bs_s__t __w__i__a__ld__sv 6__5__7__5__3__5__5__10_2+/4+ and can't be instant killed, you could swap bear for warrior born as only str 10 would instant kill him. @265 points maybe we can make him an unofficial special character and just call any build along this frame the Ranulf build. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 only ever seen magni in marvel and wasnt that impressed with the character! lukas is obviously the Loki character although i dont think he'd be 'slumming' it with the blood claws Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 man this build is intense, i just play-tested it on an ork force. with warrior saga. if you take the averages, and assume he's talking on waves of 20 man squads this is how it plays: he will always charge so 7 attacks on the charge 4.67 hit, 3.89 wounds, so kills 4 on average. 16 orks attack back at 2 attacks each 32 all up, so 16 hits 5.33 wounds 0.89 unsaved, so 1 wound. round 2 10 attacks, 6.67 hits, 5.56 wounds, so 7 dead. 9 orks 9hits, 3 wounds, 0.5 unsaved... assume no wounds. round 3 13 attacks, 8.67 hits 7.23 wounds, 7 dead. so at this point he will max out at about 7 dead a turn and unless your unlucky he wont take damage back. yo could join him to a fenrissian squad or give him 2 wolves for extra wounds as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 a little info on magni http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/norse-m...php?deity=MAGNI Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 If I remember right, he had a Powerfist, not Frost Blade. He had 7(10), but 5(10) doesn't really make him any different. And it might just be me, but he was a massive figure and awe-inspiring, so fluff-wise, Saga of Majesty would suit him better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gore Fang Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I would like to point out that in 2nd ed. everyone had inflated stats compared to 5th ed. You could see a SM captain with 5 wounds, WS 8 or 9, 5 attacks. Mind you this isn't verbatim, I haven't looked at those books in ages, but I'm sure you get the picture. He was str 7(10) in 2nd. Meaning, he's probably close to str 5 or6 (10) now a days. Though, the fact that he was stronger than a Primarch is frightening <_< Maybe he should be str7. . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocknar Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 His stats in 2ed was the same as a wolf gaurd except his str 7(10) and 2 wounds. If I was to convert him I would use an Inquisitor scale termie w/ wolf bits. As far as stats I would make him a WGBL with str 7(10) for an additinal 20 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 hmm i guess the closest we can get is to have a wolf lord with 2 frostblades giving him strength 6 (until faq clears up the wording on that) and runic armour wtn, bor, saga of the bear. model him with tda since he has the 2+ from runic, so that you can field a lord with frost blades in tda. @220 points 1) Ranulf is some of the best fluff GW has ever written, and the only reason I would throw down a "wolfwing" army is to recreate that epic battle. Arjac might work, but Logain makes sense- it was him and his brethren wolfgaurd who held the pass after all, and his signature weapon was a powerfist and a stormbolter. 2) Dont need a FAQ- check the BRB on pg. 42, under "Two of the same special weapon" and its quite clear that they dont stack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 1) Ranulf is some of the best fluff GW has ever written, and the only reason I would throw down a "wolfwing" army is to recreate that epic battle. Arjac might work, but Logain makes sense- it was him and his brethren wolfgaurd who held the pass after all, and his signature weapon was a powerfist and a stormbolter. GM, Here is the Ranulf model that I've used since he came out in 2nd edition. The base model was the old Wolf Guard Terminator Sergeant, and I swapped out the Power Weapon for the old Power Fist with Auxiliary Grenade Launcher to make it "special". V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Valerian, your models are always so pretty... and always classical. It really makes me smile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2145452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 hmm i guess the closest we can get is to have a wolf lord with 2 frostblades giving him strength 6 (until faq clears up the wording on that) and runic armour wtn, bor, saga of the bear. model him with tda since he has the 2+ from runic, so that you can field a lord with frost blades in tda. @220 points 1) Ranulf is some of the best fluff GW has ever written, and the only reason I would throw down a "wolfwing" army is to recreate that epic battle. Arjac might work, but Logain makes sense- it was him and his brethren wolfgaurd who held the pass after all, and his signature weapon was a powerfist and a stormbolter. 2) Dont need a FAQ- check the BRB on pg. 42, under "Two of the same special weapon" and its quite clear that they dont stack. on point 2 the argument is that it is a power weapon that adds 1 strength to the user, so if this is passive then it always grants the +1 str weather or not you use the frost blade, so you are not using 2 of the same weapons, you are getting 2 passive enhancements, and using 1 power weapon, you are not using the second power weapon, merely it's enhancement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2146537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 You don't get +1S from both weapons..as stated by Grey Mage. 2 Frost Blades don't give S7, just as taking 2 wolf claws doesn't let you use 1's enhancement to reroll hits and the 2nd claw's to reroll wounds. And on a fluff note, it's the blade/teeth of the weapon being sharper/denser that grants it more power when used, it doesn't magically make the user stronger physically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2146559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 no the frostblades are made from kraken teeth which must be killed by the spacewolf, it's like in dragonball, goku climbs korins tower for the mgic strength increasing potion, but it's just normal water, the climb made him stronger, not the water, just as the killing of the krakken made the wolf strong, not the sword in his hand, so if he killed 2 krakens he's even stronger, and wrestled a thunderwolf into submission, stronger again, hence the lord is now strength 7 after wrestling so many beasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2151413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Man I Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Shoot I wish i could remember the guys name, but he was a finnish or norweigen 'eavy metal painted who did an awesome Space Wolf force years ago. One of the guys he converted was Ranulf. And he was big. Wish i could remember the WD it was in....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2151444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forgetful Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 On Ranulf: "Ranulf is said to be the largest warrior of all of the Space Wolves, larger in girth and mightier of arm than even Leman Russ." Valerian I don't like the definition of a "mere" Space Wolf being mightier then Leman Russ himself. I consider this a fault in all aspects as I refuse to believe any Space Wolf even coming close to the Wolf Primarch. - Forgetful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2151479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I had to comment on this thread as Ranulf is my all-time favorite 40K character. While I do agree that no "ordinary" marine should be anywhere near as massive or physically powerful as their primarch, if I recall correctly one of the publications on Ranulf stated that his body reacted to the biscopea (the implanted organ that makes space marines grow superhumanly muscular) in an unprecedented way, making him grow to a stature and musculature on par with even Leman Russ. I wish I could track down where I originally read that, but that fact coupled with his powerfist justified to me his insane Strength stat. Part of me still wishes he would be retro-added to the current codex and made playable again, but on the other hand he has simply the best backstory of any character. Anyone who is strong enough and brave enough to make an Ork feel reverence and respect is on a whole other level. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2151599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I had to comment on this thread as Ranulf is my all-time favorite 40K character. While I do agree that no "ordinary" marine should be anywhere near as massive or physically powerful as their primarch, if I recall correctly one of the publications on Ranulf stated that his body reacted to the biscopea (the implanted organ that makes space marines grow superhumanly muscular) in an unprecedented way, making him grow to a stature and musculature on par with even Leman Russ. I wish I could track down where I originally read that, but that fact coupled with his powerfist justified to me his insane Strength stat. Part of me still wishes he would be retro-added to the current codex and made playable again, but on the other hand he has simply the best backstory of any character. Anyone who is strong enough and brave enough to make an Ork feel reverence and respect is on a whole other level. Regarding the body reacting to the implants, are you sure you're not thinking of Haegr from the Space Wolf books? His body reacted strangely to the implants, and made him, well...Girthy. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2151716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambeul Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Wasnt Ragnar Blackmane awarded Frost Fang when he became a Wolf Gaurd or a Wolf Lord? (or possibly while still even a Blood Claw) And I do not recall him battling any Kraken for its Teeth. So I would argue it is the Kraken Teeth, or just a really well crafted Power Weapon that gives the user a +1 Str while using it. But I do not agree that they would stack since in theory you do not attack with two weapons at the same time. Maybe if you modeled your Wolf Lord holding a Frost Blade, and then the Frost Blade was holding a Frost Blade you would get +2 Str =P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2151835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Regarding the body reacting to the implants, are you sure you're not thinking of Haegr from the Space Wolf books? His body reacted strangely to the implants, and made him, well...Girthy. :blush: Yeah I'm positive it was Ranulf that had the hyper-reaction to the biscopea implant, as I remember reading it well before the Space Wolf novel with Haegr came out. I apologize as I can't remember exactly where I read it (I'll see if I can track that down sometime today), but I'd swear to Russ himself that I speak the truth. Haegr was an awesome character as well, I know I'm going to get the wording wrong but I love that scene where he bursts in on the fight (literally as he was too big to fit through the doorway without breaking it) with "Tell the foe to despair, for it is Haegr who comes!" Definitely channeling Ranulf in that moment :unsure:. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181189-son-of-rockfist/#findComment-2152409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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