How wolfy are land speeders?

[White Hunter]

I was just wondering about their role in a wolf army. There is a healthy distrust of teleportation, jump packs, and anything else that takes the feet of the wolves off the ground, so I was wondering what everyone thought about how they fit in the fluff.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

What happens when Blood Claws never really let go of their love for high speed, high altitude high jinks? I think Land Speeder squadrons are made up of Grey Hunters who where once a skyclaw pack.

 

They are now older, wiser but can't let go of their love for high speed, flying strikes. However they now understand proper tactics and strategy so they take to the skies in Land Speeders, flanking the enemy and attcking them in high speed, hit and run strikes.

[MaveriK]

I was just wondering about their role in a wolf army. There is a healthy distrust of teleportation, jump packs, and anything else that takes the feet of the wolves off the ground, so I was wondering what everyone thought about how they fit in the fluff.

 

Their role... mmm, I dunno?! maybe fast attack?! :P have you even read the codex? especially on sky claws? how wolfy are land speeders? well then, that depends on how much wolf totems and fur you add on to it! there's your answer! now have an ale on me! while your at it, try the search function opps stinkenheim I said I wouldn't bother anymore with that ;)

[Wolf Guard Dan]

What happens when Blood Claws never really let go of their love for high speed, high altitude high jinks? I think Land Speeder squadrons are made up of Grey Hunters who where once a skyclaw pack.

 

They are now older, wiser but can't let go of their love for high speed, flying strikes. However they now understand proper tactics and strategy so they take to the skies in Land Speeders, flanking the enemy and attcking them in high speed, hit and run strikes.

 

Good explaination here. I think theyre pretty wolfy, what pooch doesn't love sticking their head out of the window during a car ride?

[Brother Amarel]

Personally, I think they're very non-SW (and in the current Codex they really feel like they were thrown in with little to no real background for them).

[maznaz]

Good explaination here. I think theyre pretty wolfy, what pooch doesn't love sticking their head out of the window during a car ride?

 

I like that. I think you should only field one if you have a wolf in the back with it's head out the side and it's tongue out.

 

 

Actually, now I have to do something like that.

 

Does anyone know of any head in any range that would suit a space marine with its tongue out?

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Personally, I think they're very non-SW (and in the current Codex they really feel like they were thrown in with little to no real background for them).

 

tbh a Land Speeder tornado with a multi-melta and assault cannon is 150 poinst cheaper than a land raider, they are my main anti-tank so they have a real place in the army.

 

As to non-sw, I don't think so, we;ve had Speeders since 2nd ed.

[Vassakov]

There is no reason why not - after all, they are just another SM vehicle and thus perfectly valid in a Wolves army.

[Brother Amarel]

tbh a Land Speeder tornado with a multi-melta and assault cannon is 150 poinst cheaper than a land raider, they are my main anti-tank so they have a real place in the army.

 

As to non-sw, I don't think so, we;ve had Speeders since 2nd ed.

I know that SW have had them in some form for a long time, but as I said I personally don't think they're very 'Wolfie'. If they were crewed by Blood Claws, then yes, but not a Grey Hunter; it doesn't make much sense (as we're seeing from people retro-fitting a reason for them existing onto them in this thread)

 

As I said, in this Codex (particularly) it feels like they were left in / put in just to provide another cheap heavy weapon option but no real background text was added to describe them (unlike just about everything else that *does* feel like it belongs). As such I wouldn't use one as I think it's thematically wrong, but that's just my opinion.

[pchappel]

'course, by that logic the Whirlwinds and Predators would be crewed by Long Fangs... Eh, I've used my grey and blue/grey speeders since the RT days, and despite the magical revelation in the 3rd edition Codex that the Legion specializing in rapid planetary assaults now fears teleport and jump packs... Glad I can field my jump troopers at least without feeling like I'm giving away a bunch of points... :P But just my opinion as always...

[Grey Mage]

I was just wondering about their role in a wolf army. There is a healthy distrust of teleportation, jump packs, and anything else that takes the feet of the wolves off the ground, so I was wondering what everyone thought about how they fit in the fluff.

A fast moving, hard hitting flaking force ?

 

That circles the enemy, running it down and striking at its heals constantly?

 

Or springs forward and pounces on its kill?

 

Yeah... I cant imagine how that would be wolfy at all :P.

[MaveriK]

I know that SW have had them in some form for a long time, but as I said I personally don't think they're very 'Wolfie'. If they were crewed by Blood Claws, then yes, but not a Grey Hunter; it doesn't make much sense

 

that's a little contradicting, you personally think its not very 'wolfie' to have land speeders, yet if they were crew by Blood Claws then its 'wolfie' :P

why would you say a fresh whelp such as a Blood Claw would have more patience and experience using a land speeder than a Grey Hunter? why is it acceptable to have a land speeder crewed by Blood Claws than suppose a more experienced warrior?

 

in real life scenario, would you rather have an experienced doctor work on you on the operating table or a recent graduate with no actual surgery experience under his or her belt? its like telling a private to hop inside a tank or fighter jet and say go from point a to point b, while killing and maneuvering over/on enemy terrain. Vassakov & Brother Captain Kezef explained it best!

[Heimdal]

I know that SW have had them in some form for a long time, but as I said I personally don't think they're very 'Wolfie'. If they were crewed by Blood Claws, then yes, but not a Grey Hunter; it doesn't make much sense (as we're seeing from people retro-fitting a reason for them existing onto them in this thread)

 

I beg to differ.

As a Wolf Lord I would not let Blood Claws crew my ancient and prized skimmer vehicles. They have a tendency for youthful antics that eventually would leave me a smoking crater in the ground.

[Brother Amarel]

I know that SW have had them in some form for a long time, but as I said I personally don't think they're very 'Wolfie'. If they were crewed by Blood Claws, then yes, but not a Grey Hunter; it doesn't make much sense

 

that's a little contradicting, you personally think its not very 'wolfie' to have land speeders, yet if they were crew by Blood Claws then its 'wolfie' :)

why would you say a fresh whelp such as a Blood Claw would have more patience and experience using a land speeder than a Grey Hunter? why is it acceptable to have a land speeder crewed by Blood Claws than suppose a more experienced warrior?

Contradictory how? Blood Claws are the high-risk speed freaks, by the time they reach Grey Hunter status they have grown out of it. It's not a case of who a Wolf Lord would entrust technology to (because if that were the case he wouldn't risk Jump Packs or Bikes on Blood Claws, would he?) it's a case of who would actually use the technology (as the fluff states the GH have a wish to keep their feet on the ground).

 

in real life scenario, would you rather have an experienced doctor work on you on the operating table or a recent graduate with no actual surgery experience under his or her belt? its like telling a private to hop inside a tank or fighter jet and say go from point a to point b, while killing and maneuvering over/on enemy terrain.

In real life Space Wolves don't exist. The amount of flaws thrown up trying to equate a real-life example to a fantasy space combat game set in the future are many and varied and hardly a solid basis for a discussion.

 

@Heimdal - Again, from my point of view it's more a case of who would actually use the technology for the Space Wolves, rather than who would be allowed to use it. That's always been one of the driving forces behind the Space Wolves since they first became more than just a colour scheme.

[Amornar]

Can't remember which book it was but the part where Ragnar and Co. steal an orc buggy pretty much sums up how Wolves feel about speed....

[eyeslikethunder]

But your feet are touching the floor of the speeder so that sensation is not a problem otherwise drop pods, thunderhawk gunships and space ships would also be problematic for Space wolves. but drop pods space wolves seem to speak about with great enthusiasm in some of the fluff. Remember its not having your feet on the floor not the feeling of flying that is the problem.

 

The number of times ive had non space wolf players tell me space wolves dont fly at all rather than just jump packs.

 

Then how do we leave fenris?

[maznaz]

Personally, for me, land speeders are more mobile fire support than fast attack. Effective usage requires discipline, whereas bikes and jump packs are essentially tools for closing ground fast and getting the riders/users to grips with the enemy as fast as possible.

 

Hence it makes perfect sense for grey hunters to pilot land speeders rather than blood claws.

 

Marek

[fearlessgod]

In reality, whether speeders are a "wolfy" choice or that their piloted by Grey Hunters or Blood Claws matters little to me. They have a place in our dex, so they will have a place in my arsenal.

 

~fearlessgod~

[the jeske]

Contradictory how? Blood Claws are the high-risk speed freaks, by the time they reach Grey Hunter status they have grown out of it.

A what does liking high speed has to do with flying a skimer and B in the fluff SW dont get specialies training[drivers , tank gunner ,pilots for thunder hawks etc] till they make Grey hunter.

[Vilhelm]

It's in the codex. It's wolfy. ;)

 

And anyway, what is space-wolfier than careening across the battlefield at high speed while trying to pop the top on a tank with your big fat multi-melta? Especially when you've been drinking. And you know there's room for for a cooler somewhere on that thing!

[Brother Amarel]

A what does liking high speed has to do with flying a skimer

I reckon skimmers probably travel at a fair rate of knots myself <shrugs>

 

As I've stated a few times, I personally do not think Land Speeders are very 'wolfie' and I have given my reasons for feeling that way, many of you don't agree (which is the point of a discussion after all), but that doesn't make my opinion wrong.

 

You can disagree with my reasoning as much as you like, and you are, of course, more than welcome to your own opinions, but you're really not going to change how I feel about them in a SW army - I just don't think they fit and think they're a slightly habitual inclusion, rather than one added because they fit the flavour so well.

[Vodunius]

'course, by that logic the Whirlwinds and Predators would be crewed by Long Fangs...

 

Actually the example Space Wolves Predator in Imperial Armour volume 2 has Long Fang Pack Markings on its sponson casings and turret guns.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

People forget an rather inportant thing. The STEREOTYPE of the Space Wolf is a Marine who doesn't like technology, doesn't like flying and hates things like teleporters.

 

The stereotypical Englishman is a tea drinking ponce.

 

The stereotypical American is an overweight, rather simple, capitalist

 

The stereotypical Frenchman is an arrogant, cheese eating, surrender monkey.

 

These are not accurate representations but each have a grain of truth, enough to build the stereotype from. In general, Space Wolves, the vast majority of them, don't like stuff along the lines of jump packs and land speeders. But there are enough of them who DO like them to form the land speeder squadrons.

[Brother Ariman]

Besides we all know the run on alcohol so if it does get shot down the pilots can have a last drink.

[MaveriK]

Contradictory how? Blood Claws are the high-risk speed freaks, by the time they reach Grey Hunter status they have grown out of it. It's not a case of who a Wolf Lord would entrust technology to (because if that were the case he wouldn't risk Jump Packs or Bikes on Blood Claws, would he?) it's a case of who would actually use the technology (as the fluff states the GH have a wish to keep their feet on the ground).

 

Contradict

verb (used with object) 1. to assert the contrary or opposite of; deny directly and categorically. 2. to speak contrary to the assertions of: to contradict oneself. 3. (of an action or event) to imply a denial of: His way of life contradicts his stated principles. 4. Obsolete. to speak or declare against; oppose. –verb (used without object) 5. to utter a contrary statement.

as I said I personally don't think they're very 'Wolfie'. If they were crewed by Blood Claws, then yes, but not a Grey Hunter

 

I only say you contradict yourself because of your own statement. Its contradicting that you believe in general that land speeders aren't 'wolfie' yet you utter a contrary statement by saying if they were crewed by Blood Claws then, its 'wolfie'

 

in real life scenario, would you rather have an experienced doctor work on you on the operating table or a recent graduate with no actual surgery experience under his or her belt? its like telling a private to hop inside a tank or fighter jet and say go from point a to point b, while killing and maneuvering over/on enemy terrain.

In real life Space Wolves don't exist. The amount of flaws thrown up trying to equate a real-life example to a fantasy space combat game set in the future are many and varied and hardly a solid basis for a discussion.

 

 

I find it funny how you confuse my example by just throwing out the 'In real life Space Wolves don't exist' thank you for pointing that out, but I'm sure the majority of us already knew that. But I was just giving an example outside the whole warhammer 40K, fantasy, table top gaming element to go into a 'real life' example to extrapolate more on the subject. But like you said, you have your own ideology of the subject, its your own opinion while others have theirs. Theirs no point of going back and forth with people if their mindset is already set on something they believe to be right. We are just trying to better educate ourselves by finding whats reasonable and whats not. Have an ale on me!